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Posted: Tue Aug 4th, 2009 06:32 am |
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What Obama and my wife have in common
by Chuck Norris
Dear Mr. President:
First, happy birthday. I do hope Aug. 4 is an enjoyable day for you and your family. Coincidentally, I also will be celebrating this week the birth of someone dear to me, my beloved wife, Gena, whose birthday is on Aug. 9.
Speaking of birthdays, I couldn't help but hear and read all over the news last week about the fresh attention to your constitutional eligibility and natural born citizen status. I can hardly believe that individuals are now offering bounty – one for $100,000 – for any personal witness or sufficient evidence to your American birth.
For nearly two years, this debate continues to grow despite all your administration's attempts to diffuse it. And those who are raising concerns aren't just those on the right, but moderate law-abiding citizens like a retired CIA officer who commissioned an investigator to look into the issue.
Still, your press secretary, Robert Gibbs, continues to glibly brush aside the issue by calling it "fictional nonsense." But, in so doing, he devalues the grievance passage of the First Amendment and insults those who are genuinely concerned and inquisitive by categorizing them all as political quacks. He needs to learn that you can't model tolerance for certain minorities while belittling and quarantining those who don't blindly follow your lead.
Believe it or not, I'm not writing you to challenge whether you were born in America, though I see nothing wrong with the American public voicing that constitutionally based grievance with someone in your esteemed position. As one blogger wrote, after all, "We aren't talking about a 12-year-old qualifying to play Little League here." Or as Ronald Reagan once said, "Trust but verify."
Personally, I must admit that I find it a bit of a groundless stretch not to believe in the birth announcements in two major Hawaiian newspapers in August of 1961, in which the Hawaiian Health Department would have been required to post information they received directly from hospitals: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4." Nevertheless, that proof still doesn't answer why you refuse to reveal your original birth certificate and end the growing tides of controversy.
I'm writing you because this is no longer a matter merely about proving a presidential prerequisite in the Constitution. Refusing to post a copy of your original birth certificate is an unwise political and leadership decision that is enabling the birther controversy. The nation you are called to lead is experiencing a growing swell of conspirators who are convinced that you are covering up something. So why not just prove them wrong and shut them up?
If the birther movement is truly full of a bunch of conspiracy-fringed kooks or "zombies," as the Los Angeles Times proclaims, then prove once and for all that you are a naturally born citizen by posting your original birth certificate. And all the controversy will fade away like the pains of childbirth.
I agree with CNN's Lou Dobbs, who was chastised by his own media outlet for demanding the release of your original birth certificate. So why is that such a bad request? We certainly know why CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein thought it was a bad idea: because he previously declared that CNN researchers determined that Obama's 1961 birth certificate no longer existed.
But Hawaii's officials confirmed again last week that they indeed have your original birth certificate on file. Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaiian State Department of Health, repeated her October 2008 statement that she had personally seen with her own eyes the "original vital records."
Some claim that even you cannot see or request your own personal birth certificate, because Hawai'i's disclosure law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes 338-18) states that "it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part on any such record ... "
But the law further states that the Health Department "shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record." (Italics mine)
Isn't categorically satisfying constitutional requirements for a president, or answering the First Amendment grievances of hundreds of thousands of Americans, or ending a national debate or healing a country's divisions enough "direct and tangible interest"?
Mr. President, as more and more people realize that you are refusing to release your original birth certificate, further questions will fuel the fires of debate or at least hinder the embers from ever being snuffed out. Questions like, "Does it really contain the Hawaiian physician's name?" Or "Does it disclose something other than his birth place that he wishes others not to see?"
In fact, last week copies of the 1961 birth certificates from twin girls, who were born a day after you in the same Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, give examples of those typical of the time. They include much more information than certificates today, like the baby's parents' ages, occupations, birthplaces, race, etc., as well as specifics of the medical personnel presiding over the baby's birth and the hospital in which he or she was born.
Of course not every U.S. citizen has access to their original birth certificate, but you do, and that's the only one under debate. As valuable as copies can be, textual critics know that nothing outweighs an original, especially when only it contains the information under question.
So again I ask, why don't you simply request, release and give permission to make public your original birth certificate?
Mr. President, you promised the American people that you are "committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government." In fact, on July 23 in your prime time press conference, you said that your administration was more transparent than those of previous presidencies: "I think that we have provided much greater transparency than existed prior to our administration coming in."
So again I ask, why not live out that transparency promise by posting your original birth certificate and end the division and debate?
Well, I have a birthday to plan, so I better get going.
Again, happy birthday Mr. President.
Yours truly,
Chuck Norris
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Posted: Tue Aug 4th, 2009 07:14 am |
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Some are saying that the "Republic of Kenya" wasn't official until December of 1964, but, since the elections were in 1963, perhaps the incumbent government, already in command, chose to use that "Republic of Kenya" since they had been elected to it.
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Posted: Tue Aug 4th, 2009 03:14 pm |
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The birth certificate doesn't say "Republic of Kenya" it says "Province of Kenya". Before it was a republic, it was called British East Africa.
Kenya: A Chronology of Key events
1960 - State of emergency ends. Britain announces plans to prepare Kenya for majority African rule. Kenya African national Union (Kanu) formed by Tom Mboya and Oginga Odinga.
Last edited on Tue Aug 4th, 2009 03:21 pm by deRodes
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Posted: Sat Aug 29th, 2009 11:18 pm |
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I don't know about this president of ours. He is a huge flop and lightweight, at the same time narcissistic and vindictive. Three more years of him is hard to imagine that either this country or the Presidency does not unravel.
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Posted: Mon Aug 31st, 2009 06:59 am |
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The latest is that Obama has an age of 52 up on his MySpace page. Doesn't jibe with his age of 48.
Worse, it seems that it can be proven that his mother had to leave Hawaii with a two-week old to go to the University of Washington to go to study anthropology.
Does that make any sense?
It would if Obama was actually four years old at the time and the mother got someone to write up a "certificate of live birth" so that her child could be considered an American.
That would explain how and why she could go to University of Washington. He wasn't a newborn then.
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Posted: Tue Sep 8th, 2009 06:03 pm |
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Panic in D.C.? Justice urges birth suit tossed
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The U.S. Justice Department is urging a federal judge in California to dismiss a lawsuit challenging the constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama to hold the office of president.
The highly anticipated hearing tomorrow morning before Judge David Carter features attorney Orly Taitz and numerous plaintiffs, as well as a document that one person has sworn is the original birth certificate of Obama from Kenya – not Hawaii, where the administration maintains Obama was born.
In a motion filed Friday in Santa Ana, Calif., attorneys for the government did not directly address the merits of Taitz's claims, but instead focused their efforts on technical procedures, suggesting the matter can't be decided in court and that the dozens of plaintiffs cannot demonstrate they have been injured by having Obama in the Oval Office.
So here is the crux of the problem. It seems to me that those retirees that have lost their pensions (confiscated by the government) should be the ones suing BHO. They definitely have been "injured."
The copy of the birth certificate that was being offered on eBay says, "Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya" is shown on this web page.
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Posted: Wed Sep 9th, 2009 09:07 pm |
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Right now, the trial is on.
And, what I really like is that they maintain that he is a citizen of Indonesia, and, maybe, one of Kenya.
I don't know what rational, legitimate reason could possibly exist not to take a good, long, real look at the whole Indonesian citizenship issue.
That one already has all of the evidence, but his Indonesian passport, out in the open.
When O'Reilly and others won't touch the issue, not even the Indonesian aspect, pur cowardice is involved.
Shocker! Judge orders trial on eligibility issue Arguments planned Jan. 11 for major Obama challenge
By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
Is this the footprint of baby Barack Obama?
A California judge today tentatively scheduled a trial for Jan. 26, 2010, for a case that challenges Barack Obama's eligibility to be president based on questions over his qualifications under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution.
If the case actually goes to arguments before U.S. District Judge David Carter, it will be the first time the merits of the dispute have been argued in open court, according to one of the attorneys working on the issue.
In a highly anticipated hearing today before Carter, several motions were heard, including a resolution to long-standing questions about whether attorney Orly Taitz properly served notice on the defendants, which she had.
In a second ruling, Carter ordered that attorney Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation can be added to the case to represent plaintiffs Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson, who had been removed by an earlier court order. Drake, the vice presidential candidate for the American Independent Party, and Robinson, the party's chairman, also were restored to the case.
Want to know for certain where Obama was born? Demand the truth by joining the petition campaign to make President Obama reveal his long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate!
But the judge did not immediately rule on Taitz' motion to be granted discovery – that is the right to see the president's still-concealed records. Nor did Carter rule immediately on a motion to dismiss the case, submitted by the U.S. government, following discussion over Taitz' challenge to the work of a magistrate in the case.
The judge did comment that if there are legitimate constitutional questions regarding Obama's eligibility, they need to be addressed and resolved.
Carter ordered a hearing Oct. 5 on the motion to dismiss and ordered arguments submitted on the issue of discovery.
If the case survives that challenge, a pretrial hearing has been scheduled for Jan. 11 and the trial for two weeks later.
The case would be the first time, according to Kreep, that the actual merits of the dispute will have been heard in open court. A multitude of such disputes have been rejected out of hand by various state and federal courts. Even the U.S. Supreme Court repeatedly has rejected urgent appeals to hear the evidence.
The suit alleges Obama is actually a citizen of Indonesia and "possibly still citizen of Kenya, usurping the position of the president of the United States of America and the commander-in-chief."
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Posted: Wed Sep 9th, 2009 10:05 pm |
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There won't be any trial because there is no justice in this country anymore. $$$ will be the ultimate persuader. Obama has spent close to $1 million to keep hidden his personal records. (I would imagine some of that went to the Hawaiian governor.)
It's no secret that Obama is a Muslim. (He celebrated ramadan at the White House with his colleagues. "Islam, as we know, is part of America" -Obama at Ramadan Dinner)
What the world doesn't understand, however, is Bible prophecy. It doesn't understand that Ezekiel's War is about Islam - not about Russia, et al.
Do you remember Walid Shoebat, a converted PLO terrorists? He's quite familiar with both the Qu'ran and the Bible. Listen to him as he explains
Islam Prophesied in the Bible
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Posted: Wed Sep 9th, 2009 11:17 pm |
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I will take a look at it.
I have the feeling that something is going to pop out on Obama even if the lawsuit fails.
The Spirit rules, in the end.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 03:11 am |
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What are we to understand about Obama in consideration of the following.....
Obama in an interview with Christianity Today
I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn't 'fall out in church' as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn't want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/januaryweb-only/104-32.0.html?start=2
In his speech Politics of Conscious he said
"...So one Sunday, I put on one of the few clean jackets I had, and went over to Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street on the South Side of Chicago. And I heard Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright deliver a sermon called "The Audacity of Hope." And during the course of that sermon, he introduced me to someone named Jesus Christ. I learned that my sins could be redeemed. I learned that those things I was too weak to accomplish myself, He would accomplish with me if I placed my trust in Him. And in time, I came to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death, but rather as an active, palpable agent in the world and in my own life. It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity one day and affirm my Christian faith. It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn't fall out in church, as folks sometimes do. The questions I had didn't magically disappear. The skeptical bent of my mind didn't suddenly vanish. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt I heard God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth and carrying out His works..."
http://www.barackobama.com/2007/06/23/a_politics_of_conscience_1.php
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 04:01 am |
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Maybe just the same thing as when he cites Paul Volcker as his kind of economist.
I think he was a "tourist" in the church.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 04:25 am |
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Yes, could be. Especially when the reason he put on that clean jacket and went to that church and publicly affirmed his faith was that he was in the business of organizing churches in the area and the pastors suggested he would be more effective if he joined a church.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11th, 2009 01:00 pm |
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Reminds me of my ex husband. He went to Church and got baptized for he was looking to my Dad for a big fat chunk of money for a house. The minister told me later ...much later he could see his body was not at all present..he was a "politiker"
My preacher was the one that got me into my primal work..imagine that...a legalistic Bible thumper who had done primal work and then became a therapist. I so thank God for him ushering me into this for it made it possible to "let go" of the bad marriage when it ended and not fight to keep him. That and al anon.
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Posted: Sat Oct 17th, 2009 06:09 pm |
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A friend of mine remembered this:
Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
Sunday, June 27, 2004
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations. The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative. Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans. continued
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Posted: Sun Oct 18th, 2009 03:55 pm |
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I have just taken a look at that article, deRodes. Amazing. So, this "rumor" has legs going way back.
What was the source of the statement then?
Obviously, the Brits, and especially the British press, would not have it "in" for him.
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Posted: Sun Oct 18th, 2009 07:09 pm |
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"What was the source of the statement then?"
Associated Press
2004 PIECE DISTRIBUTED WORLD-WIDE PUTS FOCUS ON TIMELINE OF CLAIMS
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(Oct. 14, 2009) — What most people know is that the Associated Press (AP) is one of the largest, internationally recognized, syndicated news services. What most people don’t know that is in 2004, the AP was a “birther” news organization.
How so? Because in a syndicated report, published Sunday, June 27, 2004, by the Kenyan Standard Times...
This report explains the context of the oft cited debate, between Obama and Keyes in the following Fall, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a “natural born citizen”, and in which Obama, by his quick retort, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency”, self-admitted that he was not eligible for the office. Seeing that an AP reporter is too professional to submit a story which was not based on confirmed sources (ostensibly the Obama campaign in this case), the inference seems inescapable: Obama himself was putting out in 2004, that he was born in Kenya.
The difficulty in finding this gem of a story is hampered by Google, which is running flak for Obama: because if you search for “Kenyan-born US Senate” you wont find it, but if you search for the phrase without quotes you will find links which talk about it.
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 12:41 am |
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Michelle contradicts Obama nativity story
Divulges Ann Dunham was 'very young and very single' at birth of U.S. president
There is more happening than this.
In little noticed remarks, Michelle Obama stated at a public event that her husband's mother, Ann Dunham, was "very young and very single" when she gave birth to the future U.S. president. Her comments further undermine the official story as told by Barack Obama – that Dunham was married to his father, Barack Obama Sr., at the time of birth.
The remarks were made by Michelle Obama during a July 2008 round table at the University of Missouri. Obama was responding to criticism of her husband's presidential campaign speeches about fatherhood and faith-based initiatives.
Michelle Obama explained her husband understands the struggles of low-income families.
"He understands them because he was raised by strong women. He is the product of two great women in his life. His mother and his grandmother," she said.
"Barack saw his mother, who was very young and very single when she had him, and he saw her work hard to complete her education and try to raise he and his sister," Michelle Obama said.
Her remarks about Dunham being "very single" when she gave birth to Barack Obama were also quoted last year on a blog posted at MSNBC.com. The remarks, however, contradicted previous claims President Obama made about the circumstances of his birth........more...
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 12:45 am |
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More news:
Appeal filed in Obama eligibility argument
'Court cannot refuse to hear a case because it prefers not'
A case alleging Congress failed in its constitutional duties by refusing to investigate the eligibility of Barack Obama to be president has been sent on appeal to the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
WND previously reported when a federal judge dismissed the lawsuit filed by Charles F. Kerchner Jr. and others against Congress.
Attorney Mario Apuzzo filed the action in January on behalf of Kerchner, Lowell T. Patterson, Darrell James Lenormand and Donald H. Nelson Jr. Named as defendants were Barack Hussein Obama II, the U.S., Congress, the Senate, House of Representatives and former Vice President Dick Cheney along with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
The case focuses on the alleged failure of Congress to follow the Constitution. That document, the lawsuit states, "provides that Congress must fully qualify the candidate 'elected' by the Electoral College Electors."
The case asserts "when Obama was born his father was a British subject/citizen and Obama himself was the same."...more....
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 02:11 am |
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"Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals."
Bwahahahaha!!!!! It's impossible for him to speak the truth.
BHO is totally unprincipled and has no values! Remember when he said he had campaigned in all "57" states. That was no faux pas!
Patriotic Barack Obama lapel pins unveiled honoring all 57 states
Yesterday The Ticket broke the stunning news of America's acquisition of seven, maybe eight, new states, according to future president Barack Obama.
He was speaking at the start of a two-day swoop through Oregon, which is already a state.
In Beaverton, which is not a state yet, the Democrat let it slip that during this marathon 16-month party presidential nomination struggle against a bunch of dropouts and this female political zombie from New York who won't surrender short of a silver stake, he had already visited 57 states with one more to go.
That's not counting the existing states of Alaska and Hawaii, he said, which his staff decided aren't important enough to visit. Unless maybe you're Mike Gravel or Dennis Kucinich, who weren't very important either, come to think of it.
Here's the spoof-proof Obama video as evidence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws&feature=player_embedded
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