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Media Protects Bilderberg Group

Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller and other Bilderberg luminaries frequently and gushingly thank the media attending their secret meetings for covering up their global conspiracy.

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Thus, Bilderberg makes the mainstream press part of the conspiracy of silence, causing them to ignore a major story. Over the years, Bilderberg coverage by the SPOTLIGHT has resulted in advance stories on the end of the Cold War, the downfall of Margaret Thatcher and other earth-shaking events.

Often, the gratitude is expressed individually during cocktail-sippings, with Kissinger, Rockefeller and others thanking Donald Graham, publisher of The Washington Post, and high officials of The New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Wall Street Journal and other newspapers and network television anchors.

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New Video Addresses Costs & Burdens of Immigration on U.S. Health Care & Taxpayers
Just in time for the national health care debate, we've posted another of a series of videos of experts. This video focuses on the costs of our immigration policies -- particularly the accessibility illegal aliens have to public education and emergency room medical care as well as the strain on an array of other social services. Please view the 12-minute video or the 4-minute summary video.

Here is the short summary video that relates especially to the national debate about the costs of our health care systems.



Various experts talk about how immigration has caused most of the increase in the uninsured that has thrown our government into this huge debate about overhauling the health care systems.

They also discuss the massive costs that legal and illegal immigrants place on taxpayers for their health care.

And here is the full 12-minute video that deals with health care along with a number of other social services costs.



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deRodes,

I certainly wasn't making any claims about how great the U.S. education system is.  It, too, has some serious problems, no doubt.  What I *was* saying is this:  if education was entirely a market-driven service, advertised and sold only by *for-profit* companies all competing in a free market, you would possibly have the same situation as exists in U.S. health care, or worse.  Duplication of service, many people unable to afford it, a bottom-line ethic of profit-maximization, not cost-cutting. 

Yes, private schools can be very good.  But private schools are generally not really for-profit organizations, as far as I know, and that's probably because there is a decent public / free option.   Obviously, they want to stay solvent, comfortably in the black, but profit maximization isn't a bottom line.  I've never been to one, but I think quality of service, reputation, life-style are the real priorities. I don't think much of the $6000 vs $1000 comparison.  For one thing, it adds the (big) cost of "higher education" to the public figure, but not to the private one.  (How fair is that?)  For another thing, assuming the $1000 / year tuition figure is valid (as the low-end of the private school scale, I assume), even that is probably too expensive for many families who struggle to make ends meet just buying clothes and "school stuff" every fall in a free system.


 

 

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I hear what you're saying, Khepri, but my point was that kids in public schools aren't getting much of an education with the government running the show. Can the government run anything to our satisfaction?

My dad was born in 1882 and probably only got an 8th grade education. But it was a lot different then.

Testing Standards -
Compared to the 8th Grade Test in 1895


Could You Have Passed the 8th Grade in 1895?
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8th Grade Final Exam: Salina, Kansas - 1895

This is the eighth-grade final exam* from 1895 from Salina, Kansas. It was taken
from the original document on file at the Smoky Valley Genealogical Society
and Library in Salina, Kansas and reprinted by the Salina Journal.

Grammar (Time, one hour)

1. Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters.
2. Name the Parts of Speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph.
4. What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts of do, lie, lay and run.
5. Define Case, Illustrate each Case.
6. What is Punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of Punctuation.
7-10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.

Arithmetic (Time, 1.25 hours)

1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts. per bu, deducting 1050 lbs. for tare?
4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
5. Find cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $.20 per inch?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance around which is 640 rods?
10.Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt.

U.S. History
(Time, 45 minutes)

1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided.
2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus.
3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
4. Show the territorial growth of the United States.
5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas.
6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.
7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe?
8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, and 1865?

Orthography (Time, one hour)

1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic orthography, etymology, syllabication?
2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
3. What are the following, and give examples of each: Trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals?
4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u'.
5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e'. Name two exceptions under each rule.
6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.
7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: Bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, super.
8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: Card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
9. Use the following correctly in sentences, Cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
10.Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication.

Geography (Time, one hour)

1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas?
3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?
4. Describe the mountains of N.A.
5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fermandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco.
6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S.
7. Name all the republics of Europe and give capital of each.
8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers.
10.Describe the movements of the earth. Give inclination of the earth.

The top of the test states > "EXAMINATION GRADUATION QUESTIONS  OF SALINE COUNTY, KANSAS April 13, 1895  J.W. Armstrong, County Superintendent.Examinations at Salina, New Cambria, Gypsum City, Assaria, Falun, Bavaria, and District No. 74 (in Glendale Twp.)"

According to the Smoky Valley Genealogy Society, Salina, Kansas "this test is the original eighth-grade final exam for 1895 from Salina, KS. An interesting note is the fact that county students taking this test were allowed to take the test in the 7th grade, and if they did not pass the test at that time, they were allowed to re-take it again in the 8th grade."




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After quoting the author’s introduction: “This book is about physician-assisted dying, which I think is both desirable and inevitable,” Emanuel concludes that “social policy should keep physician-assisted suicide and euthanasia illegal but should recognize exceptions.”

And thus we find in Section 1233 of the Emanuel-drafted Health Care Reform Bill, HR 3200, the “death with dignity” clause aka euthanasia through consultations every five years for senior citizens. In other words, WEALTHY Zionist Jews like Emanuel who will have all the care they need lavished on them in their old age, are eager to convince the Gentile-elderly to just get out of their way. View Entire Story Here & Here.



This is what section 1233 of HR 3200 is actually about: (I'll quote the section below).  It's about providing information to elderly people using the Medicare plan, about their options / good practises, if/when their health declines, and they need more intensive care.  It says nothing about advising people to forego "heroic measures" (like an artificial lung or cardiac machine) to keep you alive.  That's entirely your choice, or your family's choice if your wishes about it aren't known. To repeat:  it's about keeping people informed of their options, not pushing them one way or another.  And I'm sure any doctor worth his salt would not force this conversation any longer than you were comfortable with. Instead, he / she would probably just say "Here - you should read this over," hand you a brochure with the info., and make it clear she's available if you have any questions.

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Well, no, Section 1233 does not require older folks to be counseled about options on pulling the plug. What it does require is that, at least every five years, older folks--and it falls under "Medicare", so it may be specifically those using that program (which I thought they were going to do away with...)--receive counseling from a physician, nurse practitioner, or physician's assistant.


Such consultation shall include the following:
(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and
considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.
(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.
(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available

It goes on:


(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include—
(I) the reasons why the development of such an order is beneficial to the individual and the individual’s family and the reasons why such an order should be updated periodically as the health of the individual changes;
(II) the information needed for an individual or legal surrogate to make informed decisions regarding the completion of such an order; and
(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to determine the requirements of the State in which such individual resides so that the treatment wishes of that individual will be carried out if the individual is unable to communicate those wishes, including requirements regarding the designation of a surrogate decisionmaker (also known as a health care proxy).

Clause (ii) says that this only applies as the State law requires.


http://thecluemeter.blogspot.com/2009/07/hr3200-death-with-dignity.html


By the way, I find the racism in this post offensive.  Wealthy Jews in the White House want to kill off the elderly Gentiles. Good grief!


 

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Could You Have Passed the 8th Grade in 1895?
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Nope No way I could answer even 1/3 of those questions.  And I have a graduate degree. It really is amazing. Thanks for posting it.  I hear you.  It's truly sad how far education standards have fallen, and particularly poignant to see how literate (English grammer, eg.) an 8th-grader was expected to be.  

Still, I'm not at all sure you can lay the 'blame' for falling standards on government.  I wonder if most people who have a complete private school education could answer half the questions either. The "purpose" of education isn't what it used to be -- a "well-rounded," knowledgeable person.  Our priorities today are not about personality or knowledge, but about employment.  Will you get a good job? Go to college or university.  Will you get any job?  At least finish high-school.  End of story.  I think historic economic realities probably have much more to do with it than the abilitiy of government to provide services. 

 

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Our problems include Medicare fraud, fixed contracts for Medicare, need for tort reform, and need for a pro-active wellness program, best handled by private and non-profit insurance, such as Blue Cross or the Safeway plan, that has held costs to the same level for five years.

We don't need Washington. I prefer Washington State where I can drive to Olympia and bitch to their program.

Canada doesn't have a federal system on this and we sure as hell don't need one either.




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Canada doesn't have a federal system on this and we sure as hell don't need one either.


I don't know the figure, (I'll look for it) but for now I'm guessing the Cdn. federal gov't. pays at least half of whatever the provinces budget for their care plans.  In return, the provinces must meet several requirements.  So, although administration, funding of services, etc. is a provincial responsibility, I think the federal requirements ensure that you're getting pretty much the same level of insured care across the country.

I'll take another look at the Safeway post.

Scroll down a bit here to see the federal requirements:

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/medi-assur/cha-lcs/overview-apercu-eng.php

 



 


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Page 425 of

111THCONGRESS 1ST SESSION (pdf)
H. R. 3200

To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce
the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes.


 1 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
 2 consultation shall include the following:
 3     ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad-
 4 vance care planning, in
 5 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo-
 6 ple to talk to.
 7     ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad-
 8 vance directives, including living wills and durable
 9 powers of attorney, and their uses.
10     ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the
11 role and responsibilities of a health care proxy. 
‘12     ‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list 
13 of national and State-specific resources to assist con-
14 sumers and their families with advance care plan-
15 ning, including the national toll-free hotline, the ad-
16 vance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal
17 service organizations (including those funded
18 through the Older Americans Act of 1965). 

19     ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
20  continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail-
21  able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene-
22  fits for such services and supports that are available
23  under this title. 



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Roy wrote: Our problems include Medicare fraud, fixed contracts for Medicare, need for tort reform, and need for a pro-active wellness program, best handled by private and non-profit insurance, such as Blue Cross or the Safeway plan, that has held costs to the same level for five years.



What are the chances of any beneficial change occuring on a national level, including some form of universality, if this current push for reform fails?  The way I hear it, if it fails it will quite possibly be yet more decades down the road before any kind of health care reform is again attempted.

Or are you saying you no longer care about U.S. health care on a national level?  Leave it to the states?  Leave it to individual corporations?  Seems to me either way would result in little or no change at all -- just more status quo 'business as usual' while the corporations get even richer and more powerful.

 

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deRodes wrote: 19     ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
20  continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail-
21  able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene-
22  fits for such services and supports that are available
23  under this title. 


 

"End of life services" -- Simply means "at the end of your life." In other words, if you're dying, or the end of your life is on the horizon, such as . . . you've been told you have inoperable cancer (or whatever), with a limited max. time left, and you're too sick to care for yourself, possibly requiring hospitalization.  "Palliative care" has nothing to do with euthenasia.  It's "caring for the dying." And neither does the term "end of life services" have anything to do with euthenasia. 

The only possible connection is that the advisability or possibility of having a "living will" would probably be mentioned in the discussion / information.  And all that means is -- it's a good idea to document your wishes, so family members or doctors don't have to make decisions about how much / how long you receive treatment if you're beyond the point of being able to decide / communicate your wishes yourself.  There's nothing saying you must have a living will, or that particular conditions / situations are even discussed.  It's just to let people know that having a "living will" is an option, since probably many people don't even think of it.

The only form of euthenasia allowed, as far as I know, in U.S., Canada, pretty much everywhere, is this -- You've let it be known that you don't want "heroic measures" to continue your life under specific conditions.  For example - you're in a coma, and you need a lung machine and other aids, *and* there's practically no chance of ever coming out of it.  Or maybe there's a chance, but you would have severe brain damage, and need constant care, possibly in constant pain.  (I'm just trying to paint a scenario where I would not want to live out my remaining few years or months.)   So you've said, in your living will, or you've made it clear to family members or doctors -- if it comes to that point, and there's no hope for real improvement, don't keep me hanging on; turn off the machine.   Technically, removing devices that are keeping you alive is "euthenasia." 

There's not the slightest suggestion in 1233 or anywhere else of advising people (let alone forcing them) to end their life prematurely.  And those who say there is are simply lying or misinformed.

 

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Much, much greater. We need state-by-state accountability, and to shut the federal government out of it.

Hell, Canada has fewer people than California and their system is province-by-province.



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Then why is Oblahblah and Congress refusing to get on the healthcare program?

Obama Would Refuse To Join ObamaCare

The $64,000 question finally asked

Yesterday on "ABC-TV" (better known as the all Barrack channel) during the "network special on health care".... Obama was asked:  

"Mr. President will you and your family give up your current health care program and join the new 'universal health care program' that the rest of us will be on?".....  

(bet you already know the answer)...
 

There was a stoney silence as Obama ignored the question and chose not to answer it.... in addition, a number of Senators were asked the same question and their response was..."We will think about it." And they did.  

It was announced today on the news that the "Kennedy health care bill" was written into the new health care reform initiative, ensuring that that Congress will be 100% exempt !
 

This should speak volumes to all of us. so, this great new health care plan that is good for you and me... is not good enough for Obama, his family or Congress...??
 

We (the American public) need to stop this proposed debacle asap!
  This is totally wrong !!!!! If you agree please pass this on .... If not plan to suffer with the Obama health care plan ....for free.... while our self-serving politicians make sure that they take care of themselves and their families at our expense.



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deRodes wrote: Then why is Oblahblah and Congress refusing to get on the healthcare program?

Obama Would Refuse To Join ObamaCare
health care program' that the rest of us will be on?".....  

(bet you already know the answer)...
 

There was a stoney silence as Obama ignored the question and chose not to answer it.... in addition, a number of Senators were asked the same question and their response was..."We will think about it." And they did.  

It was announced today on the news that the "Kennedy health care bill" was written into the new health care reform initiative, ensuring that that Congress will be 100% exempt !
 

This should speak volumes to all of us. so, this great new health care plan that is good for you and me... is not good enough for Obama, his family or Congress...?? 
 


 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5VPCtxh7ow

The video shows Obama's response is hardly "stony silence."  Secondly, I think it -is- a stupid question.  Of course he, or anyone else, would pursue the best medical option he could. And that's what he says. It's been made clear all along that if people are happy with their current coverage, they can keep it.  No-one would be forced into switching.  I'm sure there are many employers who offer enhanced medical coverage as a benefit. Congress is one.  The armed services are probably another (as is the case in Canada).  So what?  What does this have to do with fixing a system that is getting seriously out of wack, and with getting basic coverage for the many millions who have none, or are seriously underinsured? 

Saying "Congress will be 100% exempt" is as misleading as the "stony silence" comment.  I'm sure a congressman would be able to switch to medicare / whatever the public option is, if he chooses, or that he would have that basic coverage anyway.  And "exempt" is a meaningless word, when it's *not* a question of anyone being -forced- to do anything.

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWvqcLFhq8E&NR=1&feature=fvwp
 

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Not true, Khepri.

You can keep your insurance until you change jobs or until you change plans. Then, you get swept up into the pubic option.

We very much want our senators and congressmen and elected officials to be in this plan from the beginning.

It is the epitome of elitism to impose a plan for the common man, the regular guys, and then leave yourself out of it.

For the plan? Then be in it.



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Roy wrote: Not true, Khepri.

You can keep your insurance until you change jobs or until you change plans. Then, you get swept up into the pubic option.

We very much want our senators and congressmen and elected officials to be in this plan from the beginning.

It is the epitome of elitism to impose a plan for the common man, the regular guys, and then leave yourself out of it.

For the plan? Then be in it.


Here is a summary of bill HR 3200 from the House Committee on Education and Labor:

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BILLSUMMARY-071409.pdf

I don't see where anyone gets "swept up into the public option," since that option would be only 1 of many offered through the overall "Health Insurance Exchange."  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume the same rules would apply to federal and state governments as they would to any other "employer."

Note also, this line:  "States may opt to operate the Exchange in lieu of the national Exchange provided they follow the federal rules."  This sounds like it allows states some similarity to the Canadian system -- being administered by the provinces, but with federal standards required.  In your comments about Canada's system you keep emphasizing the "state/province-run" aspect, but I have to wonder if you've even read through those federal-funding "criteria." They are pretty comprehensive.

A final note on comparing the 2 countries:  HR 3200 is a far, far cry from the Canadian (and I think British) systems, where the "public option" is the *only* option (with a few minor exceptions).   In terms of "choice" and market dynamics playing a role, Americans would have *much* more flexibility.  There is simply -no competition- for insurance of basic health services / treatments in Canada.  HR 3200 proposes a system that is quite different, and allows insurance companies to compete for your business.

 

 

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The memo, which according to a knowledgeable health care lobbyist was prepared by a person directly involved in the negotiations, lists exactly what the White House gave up, and what it got in return.

It says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government's leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada -- and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.
In exchange, the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers Association (PhRMA) agreed to cut $80 billion in projected costs to taxpayers and senior citizens over ten years. Or, as the memo says: "Commitment of up to $80 billion, but not more than $80 billion."



Representatives from both the White House and PhRMA, shown the outline, adamantly denied that it reflected reality. PhRMA senior vice president Ken Johnson said that the outline "is simply not accurate." "This memo isn't accurate and does not reflect the agreement with the drug companies," said White House spokesman Reid Cherlin.
Stories in the Los Angeles Times and the New York Times last week indicated that the administration was confirming that such a deal had been made.

Critics on Capitol Hill and online responded with outrage at the reports that Obama had gone behind their backs and sold the reform movement short. Furthermore, the deal seemed to be a betrayal of several promises made by then-Sen. Obama during the presidential campaign, among them that he would use the power of government to drive down the costs of drugs to Medicare and that negotiations would be conducted in the open.

And over the past several days, both the White House and PhRMA have offered a series of sometimes conflicting accounts of what happened in an attempt to walk back the story.

The White House meeting took place on July 7th, as first reported that evening in the Wall Street Journal. Also on the same day, a health care lobbyist following the talks was provided the outline of the deal by a person inside the negotiations. That outline had been floating around K Street before being obtained by the Huffington Post. In order to learn more about its origin, HuffPost agreed not to reveal the name of the lobbyist who originally received it.

"That is the PhRMA deal," said the lobbyist of the outline. He then clarified, "It was the PhRMA deal."

The deal, as outlined in the memo:
Commitment of up to $80 billion, but not more than $80 billion.
1. Agree to increase of Medicaid rebate from 15.1 - 23.1% ($34 billion)
2. Agree to get FOBs done (but no agreement on details -- express disagreement on data exclusivity which both sides say does not affect the score of the legislation.) ($9 billion)
3. Sell drugs to patients in the donut hole at 50% discount ($25 billion)
This totals $68 billion
4. Companies will be assessed a tax or fee that will score at $12 billion. There was no agreement as to how or on what this tax/fee will be based.
Total: $80 billion

In exchange for these items, the White House agreed to:
1. Oppose importation
2. Oppose rebates in Medicare Part D
3. Oppose repeal of non-interference
4. Oppose opening Medicare Part B

"Non-interference" is the industry term for the status quo, in which government-driven price negotiations are barred. In other words, the government is "interfering" in the market if it negotiates lower prices. The ban on negotiating was led through Congress in 2003 by then-Rep. Billy Tauzin (R-La.), who is now the head of PhRMA.

The rebates reference is to Medicare overpayments Big Pharma managed to wrangle from the Republican Congress that Democrats are trying to recoup. The House bill would require Big Pharma to return some of that money. The rebate proposal would save $63 billion over ten years, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The White House, given the chance, declined to tell the Wall Street Journal for a July 17th article that it supported the effort to pursue the rebates.

The Medicare Part B item refers to "infusion drugs," which can be administered at home. If they fall under Part B, Big Pharma gets paid more than under Part D. The agreement would leave infusion drugs in Part B.

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The Generic Drug Rip Off
By William Faloon
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I did everything I could—including risking life in prison. Back in the 1980s-1990s, the Life Extension Foundation® crusaded to enlighten Americans about the economic ruination that would occur if this country’s corrupt drug regulatory structure was not abolished. At the behest of pharmaceutical interests, the FDA brutally retaliated against us.

What I am about to divulge is a shocking revelation about why prescription drugs cost so much. Before I describe this pervasive fraud, I want to remind readers what happens when an apathetic public allows archaic government regulations to rule the marketplace.

The Economic Collapse of Argentina

In the 1940s, Argentina was the ninth wealthiest country in the world. At one point it was richer than France and boasted a higher standard of living than Canada. It was considered one of the best countries in which to live.1

After an endless series of reckless governmental actions including uncontrolled borrowing and economic mismanagement, Argentina’s standard of living ranking has plummeted to 46th.2 If you had money in an Argentinean bank in 1999, it vanished. If you owned Argentinean government bonds, you lost most of your principal as the central government defaulted on its obligations.

Other countries have faced worse problems, including the mass murder of their citizens in one form or another by the central government.

The reason I mention Argentina is that its economic collapse has similarities to what the United States is facing.

Misguided and corrupt government policies, combined with citizen apathy allowed financial ruination to happen in Argentina. We in the United States are not immune to the same calamity.

If what I expose in this article does not motivate citizens to take action, I don’t know what will. It is beyond my comprehension that the common-sense free market solution I propose will be ignored by the American citizenry.
Health Care Costs Bankrupting United States
The Generic Drug Rip Off

Everything Life Extension® predicted about the health care cost crisis is happening before our eyes. Major corporations, individuals, and the government are being bankrupted by out-of-control medical costs. Some say the economic challenges facing the United States will result in substantially reduced standards of living. This does not have to happen.

As we long ago identified, the cause behind spiraling medical costs is a crooked and ludicrous regulatory structure.

Today’s health care cost crisis is widely acknowledged and feared. No one, however, has yet proposed a practical solution to resolve it.

Even We Are Selling Overpriced Drugs

Three years ago, we established the Life Extension Pharmacy™ to provide members with unique health services and the lowest drug prices. Even though our prices are consistently at the rock bottom end of the marketplace, you still grossly overpay for generic drugs—no matter where you buy them.

The reason for high-priced generics is not because the active ingredients are expensive. On the contrary, compared with complicated nutrient extracts, the ingredients in drugs are usually synthetic chemicals that cost only pennies a day.

The culprit behind overpriced generic drugs is an archaic regulatory environment that functions to protect pharmaceutical financial interests, forcing consumers to pay artificially inflated prices for their generic medications.

If our proposal to overhaul today’s inefficient regulatory system succeeds, at least part of the health care cost crisis will disappear quickly. A side benefit to lower-priced generic drugs is that it will force pharmaceutical companies to bring out life-saving medications faster, since almost-as-good generics will cost virtually nothing.
An Example of a Grossly Inflated Generic Price

Once a brand drug comes off patent, generic equivalents emerge, but they cost far more than they need to because of FDA over-regulation.

Take the drug finasteride (Proscar®) for example. It came off patent in 2006, but at the end of 2008, chain pharmacies were charging about $90 for 30 tablets (a one-month supply). All it takes to make this drug is to put 5 mg of finasteride into a tablet that dissolves in the stomach. Vitamin companies do this every day with nutrients, but the FDA does not allow them to freely do the same thing with drugs.
An Example of a Grossly Inflated Generic Price

We checked on the cost of buying finasteride and making it into tablets. The free market price for 30 tablets is only $10.25, which includes an independent assay of the ingredient quality, potency, and tablet dissolution—and a reasonable profit margin. It is against the law, however, for GMP (Good Manufacturing Practices)-certified vitamin manufacturers to offer low-cost generic drugs. This prohibition must be lifted as America can no longer afford to subsidize those who are politically connected while the country is driven into insolvency.

Finasteride is a drug that not only helps relieve benign prostate enlargement, but may also reduce the risk of prostate cancer.3-5 Widespread use could save Medicare lots of money in expensive prostate treatments. Those who follow Life Extension®’s other recommendations would be expected to reduce prostate cancer risk even more.

As evidence mounts about the prostate cancer risk reduction associated with drugs like finasteride, more companies are competing to make it, but its average price at chain pharmacies is around $86 a month—a staggering eight times higher than what its free market price would be!

Please note that generic prices tend to wildly fluctuate. In this case, as more competitors entered the market, chain pharmacies did not substantially lower the price of finasteride. In some cases, the opposite occurs, and by the time you read this, the price could vary.

How the “Generic” Regulatory System Works

If a company wants to manufacture a generic drug, be it a prescription drug like finasteride or an over-the-counter (OTC) drug like ibuprofen, it must file an Abbreviated New Drug Application (ANDA) with the FDA, even if it is manufactured by others already.

While the company does not have to perform clinical trials for an ANDA, it does have to show its bioequivalence to the original drug. For drugs that are difficult to synthesize, this requirement is important. For most drugs, however, the raw material can be purchased, often from the identical supplier that provides it for the branded drug.

To show bioequivalence, the company typically needs to perform human studies that take 1.5-2 years, unless a sufficient number have already been performed successfully, in which case it might be able to use those prior studies to support the ANDA. But the FDA could reject the ANDA and require the company to perform studies anyway.

The cost and time involved in the ANDA process varies, depending on the drug, its safety, how long it has been on the market, etc.

To have an ANDA approved, it typically requires an investment of about $2 million, and it takes a total of two to three years to get the drug to market.

To manufacture a common drug like ibuprofen (the active ingredient in Advil® and numerous other OTCs) might cost about $1 million and take 1.5 years, because the company would not have to do its own studies, and because it is a drug with a known safety profile.

In addition to these costs, a company should budget 15% for legal fees, because wherever there is a big manufacturer with a sizable market share involved, they will sue, just to try to eliminate more competition from the market.

One’s political connections with the FDA are critically important. Those who are not in the FDA’s good graces might find it more difficult to get an ANDA approved. The company should have experience with this bureaucratic process to know when and how to object to unreasonable FDA requirements.    

So as you can see, what should be a straightforward process to manufacture drugs like finasteride instead turns into a bureaucratic quagmire that results in generic drugs costing far more than they need to. If a person was to take 5 mg finasteride tablets made by a vitamin manufacturer, all they would need to do to document its efficacy would be to test their blood levels of dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Finasteride alleviates benign prostate enlargement symptoms by inhibiting the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme that converts testosterone into DHT. Properly made finasteride will lower DHT.

Under a free market system, consumers would have the choice of paying $86 for a one-month supply of FDA-approved generic finasteride, or $10.25 for a one-month supply of generic finasteride made by a GMP (Good Manufacturing Practices)-certified vitamin manufacturer.



How Much Are You Overpaying?

Life Extension® investigators have spent an enormous amount of time identifying what it really costs to make a generic drug. The price of the active ingredient for most drugs is remarkably low. A greater expense involves GMP manufacturing and the kinds of quality control measures that we at Life Extension® mandate for the supplements that carry our label.

The chart on this page reveals the shocking numbers. Compared with what chain pharmacies are charging today, the free market prices are an astounding 51% to 94% lower!

On average, Americans are paying 837% more at chain pharmacies and 236% more at the Life Extension Pharmacy™ compared with what the free market price would be for the identical medications.

When looking at the ultra-low free market prices, it becomes evidently clear that there is no real prescription drug cost crisis. A month’s supply of some of the most commonly used drugs could be obtained for the price of a box of cereal.

There never was a need for Congress to pass the thoroughly corrupt Medicare Prescription Drug Act that involves the massive expenditure of tax dollars to pay full retail prices for these hyper-inflated drugs.

The free market price of generics would be so low, in fact, that even those with medical insurance will save money on most drugs compared with what their co-pays are now.

If these free market medications became available, medical insurance premiums will be lowered, Medicare’s day of insolvency postponed, and many businesses and consumers spared from bankruptcy. The chart above reveals how little free market generic drugs would cost.

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Life Extension Magazine August 2009
AS We See It
The Generic Drug Rip Off
By William Faloon
Double-digit Drug Price Increases So Far in 2009

Despite inflation remaining at near zero this year, pharmaceutical companies are jacking up the prices they charge for patented drugs to even more exorbitant levels.

Double-digit Drug Price Increases So Far in 2009


Since the Medicare Prescrip-tion Drug Act7 requires the federal government to pay full retail price, pharmaceutical companies can literally name their price and receive guaranteed payment courtesy of taxpayers. Drug companies receive a substantial percentage of the retail price from private health insurers also, so the more they raise the prices, the more money they make.

Consumers are the ultimate victims. They face higher Medicare premiums and taxes, higher private insurance premiums, more exclusions and higher co-pays, and higher taxes to cover the $600 billion Medicare Prescription Drug Act.

Proposed legislation calls for the FDA to get more funding, so taxpayers may also be contributing to the bureaucracy that serves to protect drug companies against lower-priced competition.

The growing number of Americans without medical insurance and who don’t qualify for government aid are priced out of the market for patented medications unless they are economically well-endowed. The federal government recognizes this problem and is proposing that even more tax dollars now be used to subsidize prescription drugs, though not at full retail price.
The Secret About Compounding Pharmacies the FDA Does Not Want You to Know!

If you’re like most people, you think prescription drugs are only made by pharmaceutical companies. This myth causes Americans to pay outrageous prices for drugs that can be bought for a fraction of the price from compounding pharmacies.

For example, the price of a particular drug made by a major pharmaceutical company is $245 a month. You can obtain the identical quantity of this natural substance from a compounding pharmacy for as low as $29 a month! Since many insurance companies do not reimburse for this item, you would save over $2,592 a year by purchasing the compounded version of this drug as opposed one made by a pharmaceutical company. By law, I am not even allowed to mention the name of this drug. How’s that for press freedom!

Pharmaceutical companies would prefer that you don’t find out how to obtain your prescription drugs for 92% less than what you may now pay. That’s why pharmaceutical giants lobby the FDA to incite the agency to censor compounding pharmacy advertising.

In a landmark legal case, the US Supreme Court ruled that the FDA violates the First Amendment’s free speech provisions when it seeks to restrict advertising or promotion of compounded drugs. As a result of this Constitutional victory, you are now allowed to at least find out that there are compounded prescription medications available at a fraction of the price you have been paying. In fact, the cost for some compounded drugs is lower than co-pays for pharmaceutical company-manufactured ones.

In fact, one reason pharmaceutical companies are increasing prices is that they fear the federal government will soon require they “discount” their patented medications. So the more they jack up the prices now, the greater amount they will receive after they are forced to lower them via government-mandated “discounts.”

The chart below "Rising Drug Costs" shows the double-digit price increases that have already occurred on popular drugs in 2009.

How Consumers Will be Protected

We are proposing that the law be amended to allow GMP-certified manufacturing facilities to produce generic prescription drugs that do not undergo the excessive regulatory hurdles that force consumers to pay egregiously inflated prices.

To alert consumers when they are getting a generic whose manufacturing is not as heavily regulated as it is currently, the law should mandate that the label of these less-regulated generic drugs clearly states:

“This is not an FDA-approved manufactured generic drug and may be ineffective and potentially dangerous. This drug is NOT manufactured under the same standards required for an FDA-approved generic drug. Purchase this drug at your own risk.”

By allowing the sale of these less costly generics, consumers will have a choice as to what companies they choose to trust.




The inevitable concern raised by this free market solution is safety. Who will protect consumers from poorly made generic drugs?

First of all, there will be the same regulation of these drugs as there are with GMP-certified supplement makers. FDA inspectors will visit facilities, take sample products, and assay to ensure potency of active ingredient, dissolution, etc. Laboratories that fail to make products that meet label claims would face civil and criminal penalties from the government.
Mollifying the Cynics

Secondly, there is no incentive not to provide the full potency of active ingredient in these less-regulated generic drugs. The price of the active ingredients makes up such a small percentage of the overall cost that a manufacturer would be idiotic to scrimp on potency.

Companies that foolishly make inferior generics will be viciously exposed by the media, along with the FDA, consumer protection groups, and even prescribing physicians who will be suspicious if a drug was not working as it is supposed to.

Companies producing inferior products will be quickly driven from the marketplace as consumers who choose to purchase these lower-cost generics will seek out laboratories that have reputations for making flawless products.

These substandard companies would not only be castigated in the public’s eye, but face civil litigation from customers who bought the defective generics. When one considers that GMP-certified manufacturing plants can cost hundreds of millions to set up, a company would be committing suicide if it failed to consistently produce generic drugs that at least met minimum standards.
Mollifying the Cynics

No matter how many facts I list showing that these free market drugs will be safe, there are alarmists who believe that even if one person suffers a serious adverse event because of a defective generic drug, then the law should not be amended to allow the sale of these less-regulated products.

What few understand is that enabling lower-cost drugs to be sold might reduce the number of poorly made drugs. The reason is that prescription drug counterfeiting is a major issue today. Drugs are counterfeited because they are so expensive. With a month’s supply of free market simvastatin selling for only $3.20, it is difficult to imagine anyone profiting by counterfeiting it. So amending the law to enable these super-low-cost drugs to be sold might reduce the counterfeiting that exists right now.

Another reason these less-regulated generics will do far more good than harm is that people who need them to live will be able to afford them. The media has reported on heart-wrenching stories of destitute people who cannot afford even generic prescription drugs. They either do without, or take a less-than-optimal dose. The availability of these free market generics will enable virtually anyone to be able to afford their medications.
Preserving Our Country’s Financial Future

The cost of prescription drugs is a significant factor in today’s health care cost crisis, a problem that threatens to bankrupt consumers and this nation’s medical system. Passage of common-sense legislation would quickly slash the cost of generic drugs so low that consumers could obtain them for less than what their co-pays currently are. Enormous amounts of money would be saved by public and private insurance programs, and ultimately consumers.

According to the Government Accountability Office (GAO), all federal revenue will be eaten up by government outlays for Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and public debt interest by 20258,9—just 16 years from now!

We as a nation can no longer afford to be bound by today’s inefficient regulatory system that artificially inflates the cost of our prescription medications. The money is no longer there to support this bureaucratic morass.
Fight Back Against This Institutional Corruption

The United States of America faces a health care cost crisis that will render Medicare and many private insurance plans insolvent. Next month I will reveal shocking details about how bad Medicare’s finances really are.

When terrorists attacked the United States in 2001, there were patriotic Americans who enlisted in the armed services. Many lost their limbs, their vision, and their lives.

No one has to engage in physical combat to save this country from the institutionalized inefficiencies and corruption that plague today’s disease-care system. All you have to do is type-in http://www.lef.org/lac on to your computer and easily send a copy of this article to your Representative and two Senators (along with the letter that appears at the end of this article "Letter to Washington").

Just punch in your name and address, and our Legislative Action Center (http://www.lef.org/lac) locates your Representative and Senators. It is that simple to take affirmative action to help save our country from the insolvency so many countries chronically suffer with.

This article will be read by over 300,000 Americans. In previous legislative initiatives, fewer than 6,000 people bothered to spend a few minutes logging on to our convenient Legislative Action Website. This kind of citizen apathy is why the federal government continues to trample our liberties and empty our pocketbooks.

The form letter below "Letter to Washington" can be printed (along with this entire article), and mailed to your members of Congress. To find out where to mail these letters, call 202-224-3121. It is of course much more convenient to log on to http://www.lef.org/lac

I sincerely hope that after reading this article, not one Life Extension® member will fail to take this simple action to help protect this nation’s economic future.

For longer life,

For Longer Life

William Faloon

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Beware the Counterrevolution

By Andrew Thomas

The left is already telegraphing its strategy to discredit the town hall movement. Conservatives must wise up and use a little jiujitsu of our own.

It is important to note from the start that the struggle between liberty and socialism will never end, at least not in our lifetimes.  If by chance it does, it will be because evil has triumphed.  As long as people are free to make their own choices, some of those choices will always be for self-destruction or slavery (
moral masochism).  That is just the nature of human beings.  However, once the slavery of socialism is self-imposed through trickery or stealth, there are no more choices.  That is the weakness of a free people.  The weakness of socialism is that it cannot be revealed for what it truly is until it is too late to stop it.  Like all things evil, it cannot stand the light of day.

The reason I say that the struggle will never end is that no matter how many times it is beaten back, the socialist left keeps returning.  It is relentless.  When their evil intent is revealed, the leftists retreat and then re-package it in different wrapping paper.  Socialized medicine becomes Hillarycare becomes ObamaCare.  Healthcare is a right for everyone, they say.  Who would dare oppose that?  Environmentalism becomes global warming becomes climate change.  Who could be against saving the planet?  The weakness of a free people is exploited. 

The problem for these strategies is that once people have had a chance to examine the packages, they are discovering that they are Trojan horses.  They do not save the planet nor provide quality healthcare for all Americans.  Their sole purpose is to dramatically expand the power of the government over its citizens, providing the potential for complete enslavement.

Americans are finally waking up to this fact, albeit almost too late.  They are angry.  They have been misled.  Surprising the socialist left with their ferocity, they are storming into town hall meetings and confronting their dishonest legislative representatives.  Hypocrisy is being exposed.  We have taken the high ground and are on the offensive. Is it time to high-five each other and celebrate our victory?

Au contraire, mon frère (as George Carlin would say).  We are facing the most ruthless and power-hungry government in American history.  They have the most effective and dedicated propaganda arm the world has ever known, i.e. the misnomered "mainstream" media.  They are changing the face of America surreptitiously through an unelected and completely uncontrolled group of leftist radicals (including an avowed Communist) known as "Czars".  Congress has been relegated to the status of "useful idiots".  The government commands the powerful thuggish shadow armies of ACORN and SEIU, with the intent of forcibly drafting millions of our kids, brainwashing them, and inducting them into a third shadow army, AmeriCorps.

Do you really believe that the next elections in 2010 and particularly 2012 will be the solution to the current socialist infestation?  Do you think that people who are as addicted to power as Obama, Emmanuel, and Axelrod will passively accept their ouster in a fair general election?  After fighting the good fight, will they gracefully withdraw from power?

This administration currently controls the census, which can initiate creation of additional congressional districts in liberal areas of the country based on their populations as counted by leftist community organizers.   The left dominates election committees and polling volunteers.  If they decide to sabotage voting machines or vote tabulation software or servers, who will provide the oversight to prevent them from doing so?   They run the largest organized voter fraud organization in the world (except for perhaps Iran) a.k.a. ACORN.  Who knows what "October surprises" they have planned?  Will we see the New Black Panther Party more actively menacing voters at the polls, since the Obama administration refuses to prosecute this voter intimidation?

Leftists do not see election fraud or other dirty tactics as illegal, immoral, or unethical.  This is because the socialist agenda is for the good of the nation, a noble cause to promote and protect at any cost.  In other words, the ends justify the means.  In the final analysis, it is difficult to predict what they are capable of.  The rules don't apply to them.  We can only study the actions of other socialist leaders such as Lenin, Stalin, Castro, and Chavez, and make assumptions.

Not so confident now, are you?  In reading the comments sections of American Thinker and other conservative websites, you can observe that the anger of the commenters is palpable and rising.  People feel trapped and threatened.  The natural temptation to turn to violence must be resisted.

Violence is the very tactic that the left is prepared for.  The Southern Poverty Law Center released a report several days ago indicating that right-wing militias and hate groups are on the rise and threatening insurrection.  This is essentially a recycled article that is trotted out by the SPLC with each new presidential administration, citing many of the same tired anecdotal examples such as Ruby Ridge and Waco's Branch Davidians as evidence of growing violence.

The only thing new in the piece is blaming the supposed increase in extremist activity on alleged racism toward a black president.  No evidence to support this contention was presented, however.  Nonetheless, many news outlets, including Associated Press and CBS News, picked up the story and sensationalized it.  A quote from the article states, "All it's lacking is a spark".  All that is missing in this leftist wishful fantasy is another Timothy McVeigh.  If he doesn't show up on his own, someone may create him.  They would love nothing better than capturing a group of violent "right-wing crazies" on video committing some atrocity.

However it's done, the entire right side of the political spectrum will be implicated, tarred with the same brush.  The goal will be to shut down all dissent through intimidation, justified by righteously proclaiming a war on domestic terrorism.  Conservative conversation will be squelched as "hate speech".  Talk radio, internet blogs, Fox News commentators, Tea Parties, and any other conservative outlets of communication or assembly will be forcibly eliminated under the guise of protecting public safety.  The "mainstream" media will joyfully cooperate in this endeavor, and anyone identified as a conservative politician will be vilified and transformed into an instant pariah.  Game over, they win.

What is the answer?  I like to use the karate analogy.  There are two styles of karate, hard and soft.  Hard karate is employed by the more powerful fighter, using his size and strength like a bull to overwhelm his opponent.  In soft karate, the fighter uses the opponent's size and strength against him.  It is more stealthy and graceful.  It is the matador.  The opponent is defeated by finesse rather than brute force.

We need to study the weaknesses of our opponents, and capitalize on their mistakes (and there are currently many).  The Obama administration is tripped up when they accidently reveal their true agenda.  These mistakes need to be "picked, frozen, and personalized" (Alinsky's rule #12).

Another example is the "Obama Joker" poster that mysteriously appeared around LA and elsewhere.  It was a very clever and creative means of passive resistance that delivered a powerful message.  Although, as Sonia Sotomayor says, I don't endorse this tactic.

That's great, you may say, but there's really no way I can personally apply the soft karate method to the fight against American socialism.  Again, au contraire, mon frère.  There is a golden opportunity rapidly approaching for us to peacefully assemble in massive numbers and demonstrate our resolve to oppose the pure evil of socialist enslavement.  It is the 09.12.09 March on Washington.

This is perfect timing, as the Senate will potentially be voting on Obamacare later in September.  In a truly Orwellian move, Obama is scheduled to make a major announcement concerning expansion of AmeriCorps on September 11.

I will be there, and I hope to see thousands of other American Thinker fans there, as well.










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Obama is scheduled to address more than 1,000 religious figures in two conference calls, allowing him to extend his message to legions of faithful in the pews.

First up is a "High Holy Day" call this morning with rabbis from Judaism's Reform, Conservative, and Reconstructionist movements. Organizers hope the call will provide fodder for synagogue sermons when the Jewish holidays arrive next month.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-healthcare-religion19-2009aug19,0,1755738.story

(The tax exemption enjoyed by churches... maybe that exemption goes away, should healthcare fail to pass? If you know what I mean.)

Will pontificating on the merits of the president’s healthcare plan to parishioners work? Maybe. But if it goes down anything like it has at recent “town hall” meetings, and at “listening sessions” organized by the AARP, I suspect not:








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 SPREAD THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. SEE HOW TRANSPARENT HE REALLY IS!

 I got this from a friend who got it from a friend in Montana that wrote it.


Hello All,
By now you have probably heard that President Obama came to Montana last Friday (August 14th). However, there are many things that the major news has not covered. I feel that since Joe and I live here and we were at the airport on Friday I should share some facts with you. Whatever you decide to do with the information is up to you. If you choose to share this email with others I do ask that you DELETE my email address before you forward this on.

 On Wednesday, August 5th it was announced locally that the President would
be coming here. There are many groups here that are against his healthcare and huge spending so those groups began talking and deciding on what they were going to do. The White House would not release ANY details other than the date.
  On about Tuesday Joe found out that they would be holding the "Town Hall" at the airport. (This is only because Joe knows EVERYONE at the airport) Our airport is actually located outside of Belgrade (tiny town) in a very remote location. Nothing is around there. They chose to use a hangar that is the most remotely located hangar. You could not pick a more remote location, and you can not get to it easily. It is totally secluded
from the public.
 FYI: We have many areas in Belgrade and Bozeman which could have held a large amount of folks with sufficient parking.
(gymnasiums/auditoriums). All of which have chairs and tables, and would not have to be SHIPPED IN!! $$$$$
 During the week, cargo by the TONS was being shipped in constantly. Airport employees could not believe how it just kept coming. Though it was our President coming several expressed how excessive it was, especially during a recession. $$$$$
  Late Tuesday/early Wednesday the 12th, they said that tickets would be
handed out on Thursday 9am at two locations and the president would be arriving around 12:30 Friday.
 Thursday morning about 600 tickets were passed out. However, 1500 were printed at a Local printing shop per White House request.
Hmmmm......900 tickets just DISAPPEARED.
 This same morning someone called into the radio from the local UPS branch and said that THOUSANDS of Dollars of Lobster were shipped in for Obama. Montana has some of the best beef in the nation!!! And it would have been really wonderful to help out the local economy. Anyone heard of the Recession?? Just think...with all of the traveling the White House is doing. $$$$$ One can only imagine what else we are paying for.
  On Friday Joe and I got out to the airport about 10:45am. The groups that wanted to protest Obama's spending and healthcare had gotten a permit to protest and that area was roped off. But that was not to be. A large bus carrying SEIU (Service Employees International Union) members drove up onto the area (illegal)and unloaded right there. It was quite a commotion and there were specifically 2 SEIU men trying to make trouble and start a fight.
 Police did get involved and arrested the one man but they said they did not have the manpower to remove the SEIU crowd.
 The SEIU crowd was very organized and young. About 99% were under the age of 30 and they were not locals! They had bullhorns and PROFESSIONALLY made signs. Some even wore preprinted T-shirts. Oh, and Planned Parenthood folks were with them.....professing abortion rights with their T-shirts and preprinted signs. (BTW, all these folks did have a permit to protest in ANOTHER area)
  Those against healthcare/spending moved away from the SEIU crowd to avoid
confrontation. They were orderly and respectful. Even though SEIU kept coming over and walking through, continuing to be very intimidating and aggressive at the direction of the one SEIU man.
 So we had Montana folks from ALL OVER the state with their homemade signs
and their DOGS with homemade signs. We had cowboys, nurses, doctors you name
it.
 There was even a guy from Texas who had been driving through. He found out about the occasion, went to the store, made a sign, and came to protest. If you are wondering about the press.....Well, all of the major networks were over by that remote hangar I mentioned. They were conveniently parked on the other side of the buildings FAR away. None of these crowds were even visible to them. I have my doubts that they knew anything about the crowds.
 We did have some local news media around us from this state and Idaho. Speaking of the local media...they were invited. However, all questions were to be turned into the White House in advance of the event. Wouldn't want anyone to have to think off the top of theirhead.
 It was very obvious that it was meant to be totally controlled by the White House. Everything was orchestrated down to the last detail to make it appear that Montana is just crazy for Obama and government healthcare. Even those people that talked about their insurance woes.........the White House called our local HRDC (Human Resource and
Development Committee) and asked for names. Then the White House asked those
folks to come.
 Smoke and mirrors...EVERYTHING was staged!!!!!!!!!!!
 I am very dismayed about what I learned about our current White House. The
amount of control and manipulation was unbelievable. I felt I was not living in the United States of America, more like the USSR!! I was physically nauseous. Joe and I have been around when Presidents or Heads of State visit.
 It has NEVER been like this. I am truly very frightened for our country. America needs your prayers and your voices. If you care about our country please get involved. Know the issues. And let Congress hear your voices again and again!! If they are willing to put forth so much effort to BULLY a small town one can only imagine what is going on in
Washington DC.
Scary!!
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This has been verified by other Bozeman residences who attended.



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