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The Nature and Meaning of Pain
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 Posted: Wed Jan 28th, 2009 11:05 pm

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I was talking about pain today with GQ. I wanted to make some points.

Pain, persistent pain, of a psychological nature, is very, very important. When we have pain, we have essentially two avenues of response, with one cautionary note.

A lot of pain in the present has a component that derives from childhood and unfelt, unemoted pain.

The two choices are to "relax" and ignore the pain and attempt to assuage our sensibilities with activities, achievements, or "the world".

Feeling the pain means experiencing directly something akin to the whole meaning of the event. Typically what I mean by pain here is something that was done, small and repeated or great and one-time, that was more than we could bear at the time, and rendered us into a divided self.

Hence, pain and tension come when those feelings are aroused by the activities of our later lives, and unless we feel that pain, we cannot reconstitute what our psyche was meant to be or what we were meant to be by our psyche. Take your pick.

The easy route is to relax, self-medicate in some way. The painful route is to choose to feel that pain, and feel what happened to us. Insight into our character results from this. We do end up being less bothered by the world' view of ourselves once that itch is scratched.

We are conduits of Spirit, the Spirit or what you want to call it. This then is a restoration of grace, our link to the Spirit.

The romantic, intellectualized escape from pain is what lead to worshipping various Golden Calves. One of them is pacifism.

Yes, pacifism is a good idea when you deal with civilized and semi-civilized people who just might eventually get your point.

What about the rest of the time?

What I am getting at is that people who don't feel their pain experience loss of soul. They surrender. They attempt manically to get the world and human nature to be something other than what it is.

They attempt to smother anything that would arouse the pain that they don't want to feel. They deny that "their" side had anything to do with the pain of the world.

They project and go about blaming father figures. They idealize nature, the perfect mother, and primitive man is seen as a kind of saint.

More later.



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 Posted: Wed Jan 28th, 2009 11:44 pm

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"More later" has come soon today. :D

The expression of anger is relation to abuse is a kind of flag-planting. You respond to this intrusion by reclaiming control over your territory, your self.

You rule this self as a servant of the Higher Power that has imbued you with the very breath of the Higher Power's own spirit.

A battle, though, is what it is.  A lot of healing is not puppy love writ large but the ugly expression and re-expression of the human's objection to not being allowed to be himself when he needed to be.

That is why I love the Reich quote that "one Ivan the Terrible cannot enslave forty million Russians, but ten million Russian mothers can".

Being whole and capable of the counter-thrust, the statement and declaration of our self is necessary.

The world is not designed that we can consign our protection to someone else completely.



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Good visuals.

This is the question: the why of the obsession!

Didn't know I could rhyme stuff, did you?



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