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Posted: Sun Feb 18th, 2007 07:57 pm |
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Like an Alfred Hitchock movie. You know everyone is in danger but those people who are in danger are laughing at you.
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Posted: Sun Feb 18th, 2007 08:04 pm |
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CW, you didn't understand anything that I have written. You are afraid to look at your beliefs.
I really personally don't care to change anyone's beliefs about Jesus, but your steadfast refusal to even discuss what you personally believe or what it would mean or how it could be done to get us to return to real religions and what it takes to be a Christian in the first place and what happens when pseudo-Christians take over your movement makes me wonder if you have understood the message of Jung and Gurdjieff, two great lights that PG and I both admire, as well as the purpose of this forum.
This site is dedicated to Jung and Gurdjieff, Reich and Castaneda and we all met through our membership to a Jung site.
What we offer here is the chance to listen to your message, and then when I tell you that there are other "pod-people" religions and movements such as communism or psedo-Christian groups that drive people away from God, you simply say that you don't want to discuss it.
Now you are doing what others have done to you: closing your ears. You will never get your message out given this mindset. You will never muster the will in people if they feel that their most important insights are not worth discussing.
I mean you want us to talk about how crazy and dangerous Islam is, but you won't talk about what the weakness of the West is and how to cure it.
So, as a tactician you essentially fail other than to alert those of us who take such warnings well to listen. Understand I appreciate the warning.
You don't succeed in the greatere world with your campaign because I will tell you that you cannot mount an authoritarian campaign against them, but that is what you propose. You simply haven't made your case.
And, to get an authoritarisn campaign legitimacy, you have to win a campaign of hearts and minds of your fellow countrymen first.
You have not done that, and you refuse my offer to look at what religion does and why we are so weak in the face of this onslaught. ou refuse my heart and my mind.
Other than informatonal purposes, you radically undercut the value of being here with this refusal. The dialogue stops. It has nowhere to go. 
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Posted: Mon Feb 19th, 2007 08:56 am |
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Roy wrote: CW, you didn't understand anything that I have written. You are afraid to look at your beliefs.
God, are you joking, Roy!?! I seriously doubt that CW is afraid of anything, and certainly not introspection. And I am sure that she understands your posts quite as well as any of us who post here. I think that you may be either taking too many drugs or not enough, old friend! Please calm yourself. I don't agree that CW is dense nor do I think that she has done anything so terrible as you accuse her - by any stretch of the imagination. Somebody is behaving oversensitively here (and I don't think it's CW). Waiter, a flask of SOMA to table three - there! To the gentleman with the foaming mouth and the lengthy character-indictment of my friend CW...time for a chill-break, my brother Roy. I can only believe that the hyper-powered CPU you have must be over-heated.
CW, this is surely just temporary insanity from a good man pushed too far by the Infamy of the Universe. Please ignore the asinine stuff in that last post and let me appologise on behalf of my brother Roy (Corvus, please stop snikering, I can hear you all the way from L.A.). Clearly something is going on with my brother Roy that is affecting his perceptions and judgement here. Sheesh.
This may be what happens when posts get too long and too complicated - information becomes a source of more confusion and miscommunication, not clarity. Everyone needs to go to their separate corners now - especially the Boss.
I still respect you, Roy. Like a brother or even a father. But I strongly disagree with much of the content and certainly with the harsh tone of your last post.
This matter is not that big a deal, so let's take a measured attitude towards these issues and not get carried away, shall we? 
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Posted: Mon Feb 19th, 2007 05:07 pm |
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Roy and I just got off the phone over this issue. He yelled at me, and I yelled at him, and it appears that we have come to an agreement. Flintlocks at fifty paces...seriously though, we have decided that it might be better for Roy to avoid discussions about Islam and C.W. to avoid discussions about Jung and criticisms of Christianity, for awhile- assuming that is alright with everyone involved?
Kudos to both parties for not going totally ballistic, (we avoided the option of monomacy) but remaining calm (relatively) in the face of strong emotion. Let there be no mistake, anyone who challenges or attacks the character of either of these fine people will deal with Severian and he is nobody's sweetheart. Enemies of the Grove be aware that clashes of egos are inevitable in arenas where strong personalities co-exist and walk the same paths day after day. Where strong love abounds, so strong anger will appear from time to time. The opposite of love is not anger, it's indifference. Clearly that cannot be found here.
Cognizant dissonance abounds and we are all subject at times. I would still trust either of these people with my life. In some ways, perhaps I already have. Any sane man or woman would not be unwise to do the same. Expressions may differ, but the Soul does not waver.
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Posted: Mon Feb 19th, 2007 07:09 pm |
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No hugger I. I end up crushing by accident. I send money, or offer a song instead or at least poetical lyrics. Serious lyrics about serious things by a group that never once shook their genitals on stage to sell a ticket or a record - King Crimson. What genitals were shaken off stage to sell their art may be another matter.
It is better with the music to embellish it, particularly a nice mournful violin solo. Anyone here at the Grove who wants to download and listen to this song can send me the bill and I'll mail you a check. Some people still write serious lyrics, not the thoughts of sex-criminals or social deviates put to some mindless beat, as with so much music of today.
The Night Watch
Shine, shine, the light of good works shine
The watch before the city gates depicted in their prime
That golden light all grimy now
Three hundred years have passed
The worthy Captain and his squad of troopers standing fast
The artist knew their faces well
The husbands of his lady friends
His creditors and councillors
In armour bright, the merchant men
Official moments of the guild
In poses keen from bygone days
The city fathers frozen there
Upon the canvas dark with age
The smell of paint, a flask of wine
And turn those faces all to me
The blunderbuss and halberd-shaft
And Dutch respectability
They make their entrance one by one
Defenders of that way of life
The redbrick home, the bourgeoisie
Guitar lessons for the wife
So many years we suffered here
Our country racked with Spanish wars
Now comes a chance to find ourselves
And quiet reigns behind our doors
We think about posterity again
And so the pride of little men
The burghers good and true
Still living through the painter's hand
Request you all to understand ... Bruford, Wetton, Fripp from Starless and Bible Black
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Posted: Mon Feb 19th, 2007 07:30 pm |
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No problem with me 
I never criticize Jung, I even said I don't have an opinion about him because I know very little about him. Why in the world would I have an opinion on him if I know so little about him? I would prefer to read other's opinions on Carl Jung.
The only problem I have with Christianity is the liberalism and passifism with individual Christians.
I am not rattled at all. I didn't mean to rattle anyone else. I am in the business of being a protector of my civilization.
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Posted: Mon Feb 19th, 2007 10:54 pm |
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I never criticize Jung, I even said I don't have an opinion about him because I know very little about him. Why in the world would I have an opinion on him if I know so little about him? I would prefer to read other's opinions on Carl Jung.
Here is your opinion of Jung. You do have one.
Well I agree Roy. Only one thing....I don't think that Carl Jung's version of esoteric Christianity will be able to withstand the onslaught and infiltration of Islam excactly because of its more gentle nature.
Are you saying the Jungians are pacifists? Certainly too many are, but that was a criticism, and one worth discussing. Am I wrong here? What was your opinion based on? In any case, I disagree with that as a general statement.
About being harsh with the Muslims: As I said, you need a political base for taking action against the erosion of the sovereignty of the American people.
Right now you have to convince people that the danger is that great. They have to be receptive to the truth and you have to be receptive to their perspective on the means being justified by the end.
"Harsh". It is a very strong word.
Deportation of radical imams is not harsh. Reducing immigration from the Middle East is not harsh.
Controlling our borders and not allowing people to stay here who are not legal will not be harsh if we allow long-standing residents to apply for permanent residence status.
Restoring manufacturing to the US so that there would be more good-paying jobs and women could stay home to have some babies, that is not harsh, either.
Making heroin available for junkies cheap would undercut one of the "profit centers" of the Taliban, but I don't think it would be harsh.
In fact exposing all of the connection of the oil companies and Bush and Gore and the wealthy of the US who do business with the Saudis who then fund the Wahabi schools, well, the rich might claim that to be harsh, but it wouldn't be.
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Posted: Mon Feb 19th, 2007 11:07 pm |
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OH jeez, you are all in a huff because of that? I must apologize, I forgot that I had written that. I would not have written that if I knew it would set you off into a tangent.
Perhaps I should clarify. I do not know much about Carl Jung, but I do know that any other beleif system is too gentle to withstand the scourge of Islam due to the totalitarian militancy nature of islam and the sneakiness. Now, I would say that even though I don't know much about Carl Jung, I do know that he was not a totalitarian militant. Anything less than militancy and authoritarianism is not a match for Islam. I do understand that Carl Jung was a spiritual psychiatrist and a kind man. I don't believe as far as I know that he preached violence. So, what kind of ideology can muslims respect if they are born and raised learning that butchering people who don't think like you? So, just as I don't believe Buddhism, Hinduism, Quakerism, Catholicism, fundamentalist Christianity, Communism, Atheism, or any other ideology can thwart islam from us, I do believe short of violence and genocide, the only way to get rid of this invasion and scourge is to be authoritarian, use Islam against itself and deport all muslims from the west. Now, that is not in any scriptures, psychological manuals, or constitution. It is purely common sense and survival skills. After all, the world is a jungle. Carl Jung is never going to convert Muslims to his ideas. I can bet my estate on that one.
Take a chill pill Roy, Carl Jung is not muhamed and you are not a muslim. There are people in the west who have nothing against Carl Jung, but have not studied him and never will.
We in the west are all individuals and are supposed to tolerate other beliefs. We can do that in western civilization wtih those who wish to participate in the tolerance.
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Posted: Mon Feb 19th, 2007 11:30 pm |
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Look, the West was very harsh with Hitler and dropped atom bombs on Japan. I am telling you we need more finesse here, not a brutal spasm of exulsion, condemnation and the rest.
Jung was not a "kind" man and I doubt he would have had any major criticisms of the harshness of our bombing of Germany.
But you don't get what I am saying. If you don't come back to the Spirit, if you don't deal with just how out of whack we Westerners are, you can't as a Westerner succeed in protecting yourself.
And it is because we are out of whack that we invaded with a lack of understanding of what we were getting into, and the ego of our leaders, more precisely their vanity, kept them from putting the extra troops in when needed.
Once that dome on that mosque was blown up, the civil war had begun.
The person who lacks "harshness" is not Jung. It is Bush and Blair and Condi Rice and there is the ironic "harshness" of Rumsfield who allowed men and women to die when he could have at least tried to prevent the breakdown of civil society.
It is "harsh" of Bush the elder to have allowed Saddam to have stayed in power because he didn't want Iraq broken up!
It is Jung who could analyze the character sructure of our elites and it is Reich who would second that opinion from an entirely different point of view.
It is Jung who would analyze the lack of "harshness", the actual lack of balls of national American protestant organizations and the Catholic bishops of the US who are against the war.
You, CW, have been betrayed by the very church people who are supposed to protect you and fight for your right to your faith. They don't by and large. They are more the rule than the exception.
So we get back to the question of "what is wrong with Christianity?" because it is the situation that you face as you begin to suggest that war is necessary, whether a war with armies or a war of faiths and reason conducted by laws about immigration.
The Christian has lost his "praise the Lord and pass the ammunition", succumbed to guilt. And the reasons for this are a bit complex, but essental to know.
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Posted: Mon Feb 19th, 2007 11:38 pm |
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Roy, why don't you get into a discussion with someone else about the ills of Christianity.
I have ideas about it but I don't want to write long essays about it. Is that ok with you? Or do you want to force it down my throat?
Ok so you think my church is shit, you think I don't know what is going on with Christianity, you think I don't know what I am talking about in regards to Christianity. Fine with me. I have a broader view than that. When I think of the world and Islam, I include all non muslims. So there are problems with Hinduism, problems with BUddism, problems with atheism. So what? No one is perfect and Islam is out to destroy us all. I don't believe that if Hinduism fixed itself, Buddism fixed itself or any other ideolgoy "fixed itself" it would stop Islam.
So Carl Jung is your hero. Fine, great, I have no problem with anyone's beliefs.....or anyone's hero. I have a problem with Islam and when I speak, I am thinking of everyone in the world and everyone's beleifs. You are out for blood......why?????
Jeesh, you sure are oversensitive.
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Posted: Mon Feb 19th, 2007 11:49 pm |
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This is not about ideas.
Carl Jung is never going to convert Muslims to his ideas.
It is about the process of the development of consciousness and the soul. The psyche is "God's breath" as it were just as in the Bible. It is a bit of the Divinity inside all of us, even our dog, ok?
Now, the Muslim is going through his process of development and his religion looks a lot like Christianity did before the Englighenment, the beginning of the Age of Reason.
The Muslim came out of polythesitc atheism as the West has also done and we passed through our age of mistrust of women while we did it, just like them killing hundreds of thousands of women for ???
From the Age of Reason we overthrew the primacy of the Church. Galileo was dangerous because by looking at the solar system mathematically, you were taking a new course, one that took away the "Mandate from Heaven" that made people feel that God had an order and his rulers were given a mandate to rule.
If mathematics ruled the heavens, civil society lost its rudder and could plunge into chaos.
It did, but because the death of literal religion in the Age of Reason came about by people hijacking reason as if reason wasn't an expression of the Divinity as Newton said it was.
Jung is the one to help restore the baby of the Spirit that got thrown out with the dishwater as the Age of Reason succeeded in opening even some of the secrets to matter, the conversion of matter to energy as in the atomic and hydrogen bombs, the latter copying the very process that the sun uses to make energy by destroying matter.
As people enter the meme or chakra of Reason, they tend to abandon their religous beliefs and become humanists. But if they continue their development process, the religous aspect of life becomes a new focus for them again.
The highly educated Muslims I know are just like that. They have begun to move outside of their mindset as Europeans did centuries ago. This doesn't happen because we intend it. It is a natural process.
What hangs the process up are the complexes of people and their unwillingness to admit to error.
Right now the left sees itself surrounded by an older, healthier mindset, the Bush evangelical Christian. I am beyond both of them, but I understand why the heirs of the Age of Reason are nuttier than the Christians.
But the Christians are nuts, too, but they keep it their business by and large. However that is a recent development in America and not our history.
The way to heal the rift between the right and the left is to have each side admit to its errors , but they won't.
So, my faith in the Spirit tells me that there will be hardship and suffering on a grand scale as a result of this.
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Posted: Mon Feb 19th, 2007 11:52 pm |
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never said your church was shit. There are churches I might join, but ok, this is a site dedicated to psychlogy and politics and economics and whatever else gets tied in.
It is a holistic site. I take a holistic approach to the solution to problems. Could be ecological, poltical, psychological, or biological, but without looking at all aspects of a problem, you create a flawed solution.
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Posted: Mon Feb 19th, 2007 11:54 pm |
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Jung is one of my heroes. Who are yours? Why?
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Posted: Mon Feb 19th, 2007 11:59 pm |
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I am sorry, but Islam and Christianity are polar opposites. They can not be compared. Reason is not possible with Muslims because of the religious and doctrinal conditioning that takes place from birth. Christianity is in the process of development, that can not happen with Islam and will not happen. Islam already went through a reform at the turn of the century as my earlier posts stated.
You are free to believe what you want but what you want to believe is not necessarily true. Since you are comparing Islam to Christianity and they can not be compared because you have not studied Islam, you are free to make friends with and have hope in our enemy.
Since you are so wounded by Christianity, I would recommend that you talk to someone about it or perhaps continue with your primal therapy. You must have had something really bad happen to you to have such a vengence against Christianity. Feel free to convert to Islam, it also thinks Christianity is shit full of lies. To the point where they will kill us for it.
I won't return. Since the owner of this site has it out for me -- I will leave you all with this laSt article. Just remember, don't for any reason think that anyone in the world can talk Islam out of destroying the west. That is not an option. Roy can continue discussing and teaching Islam. Just ask him.
Why Muslim Immigration is a Threat to Western Democracy
From the desk of Fjordman on Mon, 2006-10-16 07:11
Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?
(Bertold Brecht)
I have warned earlier, especially (in the essay Electing a New People: The Leftist-Islamic Alliance), against Islamic infiltration of Leftist parties in the West, most recently demonstrated in Belgium, and the threat this poses to Western democracy. This is part of the reason why I advocate containment of the Islamic world and an end to Muslim immigration. Pundit Ohmyrus makes some of the same observations. But there is also another way in which Muslim immigration threatens our Western society.
In Policy Review, Lee Harris reviews Andrew G. Bostom’s excellent book The Legacy of Jihad. In his acknowledgments, Bostom expresses the wish that his own children and their children may “thrive in a world where the devastating institution of jihad has been acknowledged, renounced, dismantled, and relegated forever to the dustbin of history by Muslims themselves.”
But, as Harris asks,
“Why should Muslims renounce and dismantle an institution that, while it may have been devastating to those who have been its victims, has nevertheless been the historical agent by which Islamic culture has come to dominate such a vast expanse of our planet? […] Indeed, what is most striking about the collective project of jihad has been its immense and, with few exceptions, permanent success. Once Islamic culture sank in, it became virtually impossible for any foreign cultural influence to make any headway against it.”
He warns against those who dismiss the idea that Jihad constitutes a serious Islamic threat to the West because we are technologically superior to the Islamic world:
“Jihad has demonstrated an astonishing adaptability to different historical and material conditions. Yet the secret of the success of the Arab bands lay less in their own warlike qualities than in the weakness and decadence of the empires they overthrew. […] The jihadists are not interested in winning in our sense of the word. They can succeed simply by making the present world order unworkable, by creating conditions in which politics-as-usual is no longer an option, forcing upon the West the option either of giving in to their demands or descending into anarchy and chaos.
It is tempting to call this approach the crash of civilization.
It does not take a modern, sophisticated army to bring down a fragile and delicately balanced political order. Those who have no interest in preserving order, who are eager to destroy it, will welcome disorder for its own sake.”
Accordingly, says Harris, Muslims
“do not need to achieve the same degree of force that is the monopoly of the established order. In the crash-of-civilization paradigm – contrary to Clausewitzian warfare – the enemy of a particular established order does not need to match it in organizational strength and effectiveness. It needs only to make the established order reluctant to use its great strength out of the understandable fear that by plunging into civil war it will itself be jeopardized. This fear of anarchy – the ultimate fear for those who embrace the politics of reason – can be used to paralyze the political process to the point at which the established order is helpless to control events through normal political channels and power is no longer in the hands of the establishment but lies perilously in the streets. […] The jihadists do not need to ‘win’ in the battle against the West; it is enough if they can force the West to choose between a dreaded plunge back into the Law of the Jungle and acceding to their demands. This is a formula that has worked many times before and may work again.”
Muslims can thus undermine Western democracy in two ways: By massive immigration and infiltration of established, especially Socialist, parties until they can be turned to serve the Islamic agenda, or by simply creating a climate of fear and distrust that gradually makes the democratic system unworkable. In Western Europe right now, they are making significant headway on both accounts.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1571
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I agree that Islamic immigration in large numbers is a problem. But you don't get support for this, not even from the Christian community, the National Council of Churches, the pope in Italy, Bush here in the US or the Catholic bishops of America.
My question is: why not? What has Christianity lost that has put it on a suicidal course? That is the qustion.
I compare Islam and Christianity in part and not in whole, but the translations of Aristotle done by teams of Arabs, Jews and Christians in late Medieval Spain makes no impression on you.
Some Muslims in some numbers are ok for us and, in any case, Bush, the Christian, won't stop illegal or legal immigration. He is exactly what most Christians are about.
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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 12:37 am |
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Roy I already told you that passive Christianity and liberalism in the Churches is a problem.
But you are now the expert on Islam so take it away.....
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Roy, your tone is high-handed and authoritarian here, IMO. Why so huffy? You have violated the agreement that we had this morning concerning backing off aggressive questioning/engagement in this exact area with CW and yourself. You have deliberately confronted and engaged CW on this very topic, even though you said this morning that you would not. Why? People should be able to be taken at their word, don't you think?
This pursuit is....full of latent anger and defiant passive aggression, not wisdom, in my view. Time for CW and I to take a long break. See you folks in a few months if my sister Classic Woman and I have not been banned or something silly like that.
The term that comes to me on this is episode "pointless". My God, man, what on Earth has possessed you? It is as if my emphatic words this morning were wisps of smoke to be blown away in the wind. I sense that you feel that there is something laudable about ignoring urgent requests from your friends who can see things that you may not. That is unfortunate for us and yourself, I am afraid. When people do not want to engage, and you agree not to "go at them on that topic" anymore, you should consider leaving them alone, even if they do not have the self-control to resist your invitations to tussle despite themselves. In my view, you reneged on our agreement because you seemed intent on refighting some sort of power-struggle or loss of prestige, (in your view!) involving some relatively indsignificant point of resolution.
Content over form, my old friend. Such intensity over trivialities( IMO) is not beneficial to preserving the intimacy of friendships and is a common failing of rationalists who "live in their heads" without regard for the sensibilities of others. Perhaps you were not as serious as I presummed this morning about your strong desire to be fair to the sensibilities of lady CW, and a "bringer of peace" to this Grove.
You get scary when you refuse to let things drop, epsecially after you agree to do so. It diminishes your dignity in my mind, to become so aggitated (you wre very interruptive on the phone) and aggressive over something that was so trivial and...there it is again - pointless.
I'm walking- not sure how long. There are non verbal ways of saying, "You and CW are not welcome here unless you play by my rules" and I think I just heard one of them...Selah.
(Gets up, shuts off computer and leaves the room.) Closeup of staring eyes of Psycho Gizmo, lifeless and inert...(scroll across screen; bkgnd. gack, telemetry scrolls down) "Psycho Gizmo HAS BEEN TERMINATED" flashes in foreground of screen...glow inside eyes, scrolling data displays dim slowly...fade to black... END
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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 05:38 am |
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We can not "win" against Islam . . . Islam will never go away . . . I see CW admitting to this now.
Sure we can take steps to prevent the U.S. from becoming a agar dish for the fanatics . . . but to stage a war against the entire culture, useless . . . this I think we all agree with.
The only problem I have with Christianity is the liberalism and passifism with individual Christians. -CW
That is what Christ was all about . . . and this is the reason why the West fails at so many aspects of National and International relations. Christianity is such a horrible contradiction, and manifests itself in our collective American psychosis, just as Islam wreaks havoc on the Arab collective. Christianity creates the hyper liberals . . . that would reject all of CW's warnings . . . Christianity creates the hyper conservatives, that hold KKK rallies . . . and would kill every Muslim in America if given the chance.
This is my understanding of what Roy is saying . . . you have to understand how Christianity has failed the West, and wash you hands of it . . . before you can communicate with and convert Muslims. If you can't see and understand how Christianity has failed the west, you can't fight a good battle with another culture who's religion is equally polarizing and dysfunctional, nor will you convince the hyper liberals that the enemy exists . . . because, even though they would not admit it, the hyper liberals have a very Christan like rooting, and I would assume that "they" would be in the most need of hearing CW's ideals about Islam ? If you are going to get those liberals to listen and fight a good fight . . . you have to understand how Christianity has failed them and yourself. Do you have to give up being a Christan ? No, but you have to understand how it's affected the collective psychology of the modern American . . . My Father, the Hyper Liberal, former Christan Pastor is my direct example.
PG,
You get scary when you refuse to let things drop, epsecially after you agree to do so. It diminishes your dignity in my mind, to become so aggitated (you wre very interruptive on the phone) and aggressive over something that was so trivial and...there it is again - pointless. -PG
And then we see what, projection ?? So then you are also calling CW's statements about Islam, pointless and trivial, no ?? Scary indeed. To defend CW to the point that you don't even make sense anymore ??
I don't think you should take a break, nor CW . . . her message is important . . . why not learn how to make it whole, as in my opinion that's the only thing I see Roy trying to do . . . to balance the approach . . .
The times Roy has gotten emotional with me, were the times I was close to seeing something but chose to crawl back into my cave.
Last edited on Tue Feb 20th, 2007 05:46 am by Corvus
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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 05:14 pm |
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Sharia Law, Islam Iran. She will be stoned to death
The Law of Jesus
John 8 -
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
ANY QUESTIONS?
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