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Corvus
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Posted: Sat Jul 9th, 2005 03:01 pm |
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We are free to disagree with each other even with vehemence, but insults aren't ok, ever, even at other forums.
Roy,
I am sorry but I have to call you one this one . . . I almost busted out in a howl after reading your posts here.
Bullshit, utter bullshit . . . Some would find your methods rather insulting . . .
What I am saying is . . . respect has no lines, only interpretations.
For the love of god don't start this shit.
So properly placed, I find the blondie thread insulting . . . well no I don't but . . . you get my point . . .
Last edited on Sat Jul 9th, 2005 03:16 pm by Corvus
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Corvus
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Posted: Sat Jul 9th, 2005 03:05 pm |
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exclusion is the first step toward elitism . . . which tends to be THE theme your broadcasting on all fronts?
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Corvus
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Posted: Sat Jul 9th, 2005 03:07 pm |
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Then I start asking the questions,
Why in the Hell am I here . . .
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Roy
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Posted: Sat Jul 9th, 2005 04:16 pm |
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Look, if someone really needs to vent, I can understand.
But if an unnecessarily personal attack is launched out of essentially nowhere, then it is harassment.
Johnny's comments were about me as an individual, as if he knew me and my life. They were completely irrelevant to the thread.
Jesus, I am 53 years old and have done some incredible things and have had some incredible experiences. I don't get talked to that way.
I am sure you would want to respond with examples of stuff I have said about members of the Forum, but there is a big difference.
I was attacked first, and I got sick and tired of people showing up at a Jung forum to attack Jung and those of us who think the man really was about something.
I think we are entitled to a space.
I refuted all their arguments first, and then provided an analysis of what their problem was, and then that was usually, if not always, in response to whatever personal attack I had already undergone.
If you want to see "anima-possession" in action, read that thread.
Esme is the best example I have seen in a long time.
Roy
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Roy
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Posted: Sat Jul 9th, 2005 05:06 pm |
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Ok, Corvone, you do get yourself:
So properly placed, I find the blondie thread insulting . . . well no I don't but . . . you get my point . . .
You are beginning to lose your legalism. You have just discarded a "legal" argument, one which does not recognize context.
I have a longer speech to give about this, but no time to write it.
Suffice it to say that legalism doesn't allow for certain kind of value judgments to be important.
It is a form of formatory thinking. If something is "X" and "X" is "green" and "green" is good, then "X" is "good", and the opposite as well.
Restoring the "feminine" means reconstituting the body as something alive and not just an object that a Cartesian psyche inhabits.
The body is the source of "silent knowledge" through its expression as sensation. Neurotics and neurotic people are dissociated from their anger, their fear, their love, because of being possessed by a system of interpretation foised on them in childhood. It is the "superego" of Freud and represents the conventional take on things.
When people wake up and include the totality of their feelings in a reflected and rational way, they can embody conscience which is not a collection of anybody's moral opinions, but an actual font of objvectivity.
So, you primal, do Gestalt therapy, do Reichian bodywork and as the dissociated anger, hurt and need comes up, you become real.
You exorcise the effects of your childhood, its wanton override of your realest feelings and this allows you to become "as small children again" as it states in the Bible.
Why? Because children can only be themselves. They cannot repress their feelings.
Roy
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Nocturne
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Posted: Sat Jul 9th, 2005 05:27 pm |
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Corvus, it's Roy's forum, he can ban who he wants, for any reason he wants.
In my own opinion, he should not ban Johnny, it was a mistake. Roy could and should run rings around him with a 'retort', insult him back, but that aint his way.
Hell... he could have posted Johnny's ISP...
I am surprised Roy did ban Johnny, without even a warning, a lot of things surprise me these days.
If I could give Roy any advice, it would be not to read the lifeboat forum, a lot of the political posts there are not to his 'taste', he is wasting his time over there, Judge Johnny on what he types in here at the Grove. GJ, Marie... et al, he will never understand... nor they him...
I think we all miss the Jung off topic forum... things will never be the same, some mean, mad, crazy, funny times we had then...
Group narcissism...is extremely important as an element giving satisfaction to the members of the group and particularly to those who have few other reasons to feel proud and worthwhile. Even if one is the most miserable, the poorest, the least respected member of a group, there is compensation for one's miserable condition in feeling "I am a part of the most wonderful group in the world. I, who in reality am a worm, become a giant through belonging to the group." Consequently, the degree of group narcissism is commensurate with the lack of real satisfaction in life. Those social classes which enjoy life more are less fanatical (fanaticism is a characteristic quality of group narcissism) than those which, like the lower middle classes, suffer from scarcity in all material and cultural areas and lead a life of unmitigated boredom.
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Roy
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Posted: Sat Jul 9th, 2005 06:33 pm |
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Thanks for the advice, Nocturne.
Roy
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Posted: Sat Jul 9th, 2005 07:09 pm |
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Corvus wrote: We are free to disagree with each other even with vehemence, but insults aren't ok, ever, even at other forums.
Roy,
I am sorry but I have to call you one this one . . . I almost busted out in a howl after reading your posts here.
Bullshit, utter bullshit . . . Some would find your methods rather insulting . . .
What I am saying is . . . respect has no lines, only interpretations.
For the love of god don't start this shit.
So properly placed, I find the blondie thread insulting . . . well no I don't but . . . you get my point . . .
Hi Corvus,
I think this forum needs more blonde klans' women on mushrooms. WOOO WEEE!
  
Well... need to work on it anyhow...
Last edited on Sat Jul 9th, 2005 07:32 pm by *Phil*
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Posted: Sat Jul 9th, 2005 11:38 pm |
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Grove Membership Official Policy Statement:
Membership to the Grove Forum is at present by invitation only. As all privileges, posting may be revoked at the discretion of the owner/moderator. Although discretionary, suspensions or terminations of posting privileges are not capricious. A certain level of moral conduct both within the Grove environment and outside in the Internet Community at large, is implicit in continued participation on the Grove Forum. Once again, as a general rule, it is not the act of revocation of membership that must invoke justification, but the opposite (a good reason to be allowed to continue to participate).
Had the above disclaimer been placed on every membership email, would it have made a difference in Johnny's behavior? Roy felt that Johnny was no longer being respectful or constructive in the manner of his internet dialogue and made a judgement call. In terms of validity or propriety, I accept that call as if it were my own. It is done. Everyone acknowledges that Roy has the legal, and moral right to revoke memership to the Grove at will, so why think less of him for actually acting on that entitlement?
In my own opinion, there are others who post at JPF or other forums who are far more capable of contributing challenging and provocative material in any case.
When the Forum opens the "Arena" section, comments like Johnnys would presummably be more than welcome. But for now, the Grove is intended for those who are at least trying to groove on a creative wavelength, not a dystonic one. Weak chain links which do not pull in a positive direction are replaced.
Sure, if it were me I'd have invited him to box, but let him say any damn fool thing he wanted- as long as he was willing to back it up with either facts or fists. Then I suppose that I'd draw criticism for being "intolerant" because I resent lying being directed at me and want to punch someone's face in because of it...
In my view, there is at least one dangerous thing about banning someone on a technicality. It might give the impression to others who are watching this forum that this is some type of exclusive ideological club with litmus tests or SS-type control from the moderator.
Hence, the disclaimer will be included in all further memberships - so there is no confusion about who has the privileges and who must show the justifications to post here.
Other than ego injury, why would Johnny care if he can't come back here to post anyway ? He showed that he held most of the thoughts expressed here by the moderator in low regard and that he was unwilling to reexamine any of his own attitudes at this time.
Sounds like it might be better for all concerned if he found other peanut galleries to cat-call from. If Roy has a fault, it is not that he is casually unfair. It may be that he is seen as too serious about some matters, but I do not believe that Roy Cameron terminated Johnny's Grove posting privileges out of pure egotistical spite or personal malice.
And if there were hurt feelings, maybe that was some instant karma coming back. I'd vote to allow Johnny back, but my guess is that he won't come back whatever. We gave him a perfect excuse to never have to deal with the deft Grove debaters (who have flamed his tail feathers so many times) ever again, and be a victim at the same time. It's a win-win for him emotionally if he stays away. So you won't see 'im posting here again even if asked.
If you want to learn about Kant, read Kant. I doubt Kant- semi-expert-Reformed Johnny has much to add that one cannot figure out for themselves by direct means.
Roy is a great fellow, but I'd recommend that everyone stay on his good side if they can. He makes a stoic adversary.
PG
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BowOfTime
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Posted: Sat Feb 18th, 2006 04:54 pm |
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Some say that is a picture of Severian, who they say comes and goes like a ghost. I have no opinion myself. I am not interested in the appearance of males. It concerns me only that they wash and utilize deodorant, beyond that, their appearance is their own business.
I must admit though, in an overtly, strictly heterosexual way, that whoever he is, he certainly is a handsome devil.
PG
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Posted: Tue Feb 21st, 2006 06:26 am |
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Nice to see you BOT. BTW, do you happen to have a brother named BOC (Blue Oyster Cult) or BTO (Bachman-Turner Overdrive)?
Even though I understand everything in the above post with crystal clarity, would you be kind enough to explain the more-cryptic references for those Grove readers who possibly didn't fully get it? Thanks.
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