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Posted: Sat Jan 6th, 2007 09:08 pm |
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THis came through my email today... strange I thought/still think that site is pretty good and a mellow place for the higher jungian thinkers or just plain loons like myself...anyway..for your interest here it is... mass mailing CC...
Hello,
John Ferric was my user name on Kaleidoscope; my given name is Woodrow Harper. You may have noticed that I am no longer moderating the Book Discussion section; I have resigned to protest having my PM’s read by forum Administrators.
I had been asked if Mods or Admins on the forum read PM"s. My position was that such a thing would never happen on the Kaleidoscope. To demonstrate that PM's were indeed private and not being read by forum insiders, I sent a PM to ranillon/Alan because the female Mods and Admins were especially abrasive regarding him in the Mods panel. I created and sent ranillon/Alan a somewhat provocative PM, he replied, and I replied to him. I thought this was a reasonable way to test the waters. I wish to point out here that ranillon/Alan had no part in this; he merely responded to my PM.
Believing that PM's were indeed private and would not be read, I was totally shocked to receive an email from Anne wherein she openly admits accessing the database and reading stored, private, personal messages, in fact, brags about it. And, she asked me to step down as moderator of the Book Forum because I was not loyal to her. Rather than loyalty to borderline tendencies, I resigned.
Since she admitted reading private messages, the suspicions I had been asked to investigate were confirmed. I simply could not believe it, but there it was. Given this unethical, paranoid, dysfunctional behavior I could not remain a member of K.
There are two issues here: Free speech is guaranteed by the US Constitution and the EU Charter. To punish someone for free expression is a violation of both. Second, the reading of stored private electronic communications is prohibited by The Electronic Communications Privacy Act. We see such paranoid, dysfunctional conduct by the Bush White House, could not imagine I would ever see it on Kaleidoscope. Free speech is not permitted on K, and your PM’s are not private.
I have omitted the email from Anne to keep this brief, however, if you wish to read it, let me know and I will forward it to you. If you have any other questions please feel free to reply here and I will answer as best I can.
Cheers,
John Ferric
People are just darn strange...at least my PM's are safe and private here!!!!
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Posted: Sat Jan 6th, 2007 09:38 pm |
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I forget here who asked me if I read the PMs. I replied that I didn't even know such a thing was possible. Apparently it is, but I still don't know what I would have to do to read them and I have no energy in me that goes in the direction of finding out.
I got banned at the Kaleidoscope almost right away because I made what's-his-name, the old mod at the old forum, "Jerome", "uncomfortable".
Uncomfortable would derive from the roots in Latin of "cum" as in with, and "fortis which means "strength".
So I took away his strength. And I hadn't even begun my sexy dance, got him drunk and cut off all his hair yet!
It is abolutely amazing what libs think that they can get away with as long as it is for a "good cause".
The Joseph Campbell forum no longer gets visits from me, either. I met "BowofTime" there and we agreed that people who say "Bush is Hitler" are, in effect, calling me a Nazi and I have the right to object and throw in my analysis of why such a shit would do such a thing and not get that he was calling me a Nazi.
He ended up banned and I ended up warned several times.
Libs are Red Fascists when push comes to shove. Not old time libs, mind you. Not even old time ACLU members, but the newer, more venomnous version of the mod libs all out dedicated to the will zur macht.
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Posted: Sat Jan 6th, 2007 10:03 pm |
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You got banned from Kaleidoscope? For making someone uncomfortable?
Thats pretty sad... people are so hyper sensitive these days...in fact what's so strange is they are more sensitive on a forum than they would be in real life...which feels counter intuitive to me...
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Posted: Sat Jan 6th, 2007 11:29 pm |
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Jeesh, pretty durn loony. Thanks for the warning Nocturne. I read someone describe enviro-political lefties as Watermelons - green on the outside and red inside. I used PGP encryption with anonymizing mixmaster remailers for messaging on the usenet to preserve privacy and prevent forgeries. I can image how the admins would flip out in paranoia if people started using PGP encryption in their PMs. LOL
Hey! The kaleidescope is closed to lurkers! I liked to read Remo's stuff but now I have to log on to read? Feh! My user id doen't seem to be any good either. I guess the account expired or something 
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Roy
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Posted: Sun Jan 7th, 2007 02:20 am |
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Remo's section is the only one closed off, I think.
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Posted: Sun Jan 7th, 2007 02:46 pm |
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Roy wrote: Remo's section is the only one closed off, I think.
Remo Roth's writings is of the most original thought expressed in the forum and I appreciate that a lot.
The whole forum is closed off to public reading! Click and see --->
http://kaleidoscope-forum.org/talk/
You have to logon to see anything. This is a real disservice to the public community. Who is the Thought Police over there that thought this one up? Must be from the Pandora School of Beaurcratic Bullying And Domination For the Empowerment of Government Employees over the Lumpin Proles.
Hi Clemsy! I see you logged on here. Checking for fan mail? What is the latest from the Democrat National Committee? I know the two-party system couldn't hold together without Party loyalists like yourself.
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Posted: Sun Jan 7th, 2007 08:56 pm |
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The Kaleidoscope does appear to be a strange environment. I went over to see for myself what was there - this was the first time the place came to my attention. I find the type of neurotic tendencies described above as troubling (it's amazing how fearful some people become towards contrary ideas). Here's what happened:
After registering I got these two emails:
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Your registration request at Kaleidoscope Forum has been received,
BowOfTime.
The username you registered with was BowOfTime and the password was
*********.
Before you can login and start using the forum, your request will be
reviewed and approved. When this happens, you will receive another email
from this address.
Regards,
The Kaleidoscope Forum Team.
2.
Hello, you have registered to participate on the Kaleidoscope Forum. To
avoid spam, new members will not have their accounts activated until
they have identified themselves and provided a reason for wanting to
join. Identities will not be shared with other members of the forum.
I regret having to take these measures, unfortunately this seems to be
the only way of keeping out unwanted spam and spammers.
Please respond to this e-mail appropriately and your account will be
activated.
Best regards,
Anne Buchanan
In response I sent this:
I'm not clear on what you specifically want in respect to identifying myself.
I joined to read the conversations since it's unable to do so without being a member.
This was the final reply I got.
BowOfTime,
Regrettably, your application to join Kaleidoscope Forum has been
rejected.
Regards,
The Kaleidoscope Forum Team.
What kind of forum is this anyway? Is it someone's personal site, or does it have some other more official association?
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Roy
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Bow, I haven't even checked to see if I can still log-in, and I don't know if I will. I would have told them about my interest in Jung and so on, Bow. That is all they wanted.
They may have checked to see if you were a member here, too. I don't know.
Ahhhhh, freedom! Well, there is more of it here. I used to post at quite a few sites, but I realized that I needed to stay here and do my thing here.
There is a reason that any group forms and the group here is akin to a Gurdjieff circle. The members serve themselves, each other and the group. And the site, by existing, provides a place to ask questions and look at things the way we want to or have to.
We are not as angry here as other places run by libs or conservatives. We are not as close-minded as the Ayn Rand site that virtually banned me. We are more complete than any Jung site.
Gurdjieff's Fourth Way underlies my approach. It is necessary to work on your body, emotional and intellectual center at the same time.
The way of the fakir is for the body. The monk for the emotional center. The yoga for the mind. That is, roughly speaking.
We are in the world for a variety of reasons that can be posited in a variety of ways, but I think that it all boils down to this:
CAUSAL BODY.
Becoming completely conscious and self-responsible means overcoming every mechanical aspect of the self.
We are not the soul-possesssing, self-conscious, objective, conscious, non-mechanical knowers of Good and Evil that we think we are.
Nor are we the flotsam and jetsam of a Universe of objects who lack whatever the essential element is that means you are a subject and not an object.
We are the lynx, the lion and the wolf that Dante found in his walk in the woods when he found himself lost.
The lynx is the body, the lion the passions of emotion and the wolf the icon of pure, cold astutizia, or cunning.
We get lost because our favorite function tends to rule us. We are like the Hare in the story of the Tortoise and the Hare.
After being wounded and doing a couple of rounds of l'Inferno, we start looking for ways not to be "lost in the woods" again.
So, Dante's Beatrice, the anima figure, the figure of the complement to the ego of the ego, the Connectrix to the Unconscious, appears.
And we begin to work on:
1) Finding a new center outside of ourselves. We do this because our consciousness is leaden, a fitting image of our state of the soul, a metal that is heavy and dull, not a good conductor, not even aesthetically pleasing.
This is Step #1 of Alchemy. We find this center which is THE SELF, a path to overcoming this LEAD.
2) We discover aspects of our essential self that have been neglected but our now necessary to heal the wound that distanced ourselves from our Self. This is the Shadow, here containing paths of projection from the Self, the organizing principle of the psyche.
3) We see our Shadow, involuntarily, as consciousness comes full round and we know ourselves as other objective observers see us. We are disgusted with ourselves. All that the Shadow is here is the way we sell out instead of bearing the weight of responsibility of being ourselves.
Number One fault is ARROGANCE, the cold self-exaltation of an ego which has divinized itself, has given itself permission to get off the Cross, the symbol of strife that has to be legitimately experienced as the intersection of body and mind, of sensation and interpretation, an expression of the Tao, of the intersection of Heaven, and the Earth's Divine aspect, the body we have.
4) We go through re-birth. I dreamt that I was moved through a channel and reborn, the controls guided by a muscular man I knew who represented the new strength of my "astral body".
But a voice shouted after me that it would have come on faster but "a rat had been trying to get through at the same time.
That referred to my intransigence at having to give up a couple of old girlfriends. More complicated than that, but for now, what suffices as explanation.
That was the "First Marriage" of alchemy. I am myself. I have to live my feelings as they are.
But the Second Marriage began in Rome just after getting married to Lalanya. I dreamt I married my Unconcsious, in that case, a beautiful Asian woman. Than I declared, in the dream, that "I was a bigamist!" More than a decade later, I have dreamt further about this relationship and its fruits, shall we say.
The Second Marriage is about the reason we suffer, the reason we go through what we go through.
But, to put it simply, every dog has his day, and every dog has an ASTRAL BODY. That is, the animal has a drop of a certain kind of cosmic consciousness within which makes it a SUBJECT and not an object.
Dogs have their day and have an astral body to boot, but they don't have the same kind of moral responsibility that we have because they are not candidates for a CAUSAL BODY.
The CAUSAL BODY is the capolavoro, the Master Piece of the Psyche, a rectangle of energy rooted in the solar plexus, the possession of which is premised on full consciousness, meaning no identification or distraction, a form of possession, which means full self-consciousness and a connection to CONSCIENCE as a direct voice and the capacity to CHOOSE consciously to folllow the dictates of CONSCIENCE.
Possession of the CAUSAL BODY means, for the G teaching, that your astral body is now complete.
Then you are a conscious person and you can follow the TAO.
Otherwise you are demonic/mediocre and folllow mechanical pushes and pulls and have no universal consciousness enabling you to transcend in a real sense the merde of the moment.
Fully empowered, you become a Nagual, a medium of the Spirit, the local version of Mercury, a Christ, one of the Giusti, the "Right Ones", the keystones of life on Earth not falling to barbarism and succumbing to the many tounges, the subjective idiotic interpretations of the lunatics, the followers of the petty-souled megalomaniacal tyrant/demogogues who actually run the world by capitalizing of the half-baked consciousness and myriad complexes of everyday people.
We produce the astro-chemical refined off-the-chart elements that constitute the astral body, the mental body and finally the causal body in ourselves from combinations of food, water, oxygen, the impressions we process from outside ourselves and with those elements of the psyche that Gurdjieff didn't take as existing: the Unconscious, personal and collective, and the Self and all the constituent archetypes, the lesser gods of the psyche of which the Self is Master.
The Universe sends in its emissaries to produce these substances and produce that the grace that sustains the existence of God, the source of our capacity to be SUBJECTS and not OBJECTS, but not now.
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Posted: Sun Jan 7th, 2007 11:08 pm |
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I met "BowofTime" there and we agreed that people who say "Bush is Hitler" are, in effect, calling me a Nazi
Hi Roy! That's one of the wierdest things I've ever read!
Clemsy, passing through
PS: Happy New Year you guys!
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Posted: Sun Jan 7th, 2007 11:50 pm |
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Roy stated: Bow, I haven't even checked to see if I can still log-in, and I don't know if I will. I would have told them about my interest in Jung and so on, Bow. That is all they wanted.
They may have checked to see if you were a member here, too. I don't know.
I don't know either, that's why I was wondering what type of forum it was. Your comment seems a bit certain that's all they wanted. Perhaps, maybe I misinterpreted the response, and yet, something about it doesn't seem quite right - the energy there appears a bit excessive in an effort to only ward off spammers. I mean, once someone spams, it's easy to identified and removed them. Right?
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Posted: Sun Jan 7th, 2007 11:58 pm |
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Hi Clemsy! I see you logged on here. Checking for fan mail?
Fan mail, Phil? My, that would be silly of me, no? I just test the waters once in a while. I find it instructive.
What is the latest from the Democrat National Committee? I know the two-party system couldn't hold together without Party loyalists like yourself.
Oh, you so misundersatand my relationship with the Democratic Party. 
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Posted: Sun Jan 7th, 2007 11:59 pm |
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Clemsy wrote: I met "BowofTime" there and we agreed that people who say "Bush is Hitler" are, in effect, calling me a Nazi
Hi Roy! That's one of the wierdest things I've ever read!
Clemsy, passing through
PS: Happy New Year you guys!
Well Clemsy, old pal, that's what blind spots do, they make things appear weird. 
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Posted: Mon Jan 8th, 2007 12:03 am |
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Well Clemsy, old pal, that's blind spots do, they make things appear weird.
Toby m'lad, there are indeed things I'd rather not see, but blind spots don't make things look wierd. Wierd spots make things look wierd.
Hit that edit button there, dude.
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Posted: Mon Jan 8th, 2007 12:14 am |
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Hey guys I'm wondering what you think of Dick Dale's guitar playing in "The King of Surf Guitar"
It seems few ever visit the Media, Video/Audio Clips, Reviews section.
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Posted: Mon Jan 8th, 2007 12:33 am |
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Clemsy stated:Toby m'lad, there are indeed things I'd rather not see, but blind spots don't make things look wierd. Wierd spots make things look wierd.
Hit that edit button there, dude.
Sure they do Clem old buddy, you not seeing it proves my point Maybe you weren't aware I was referring to figurative "blind spots," as opposed to literal ones.
Just wondering here about things you don't and would like to see. Of all the JCF employees who went to that Mythic Journeys Conference (that's what they called it right?) in Atlanta, I would have figured you'd been the first on the list of being invited. What happened? Didn't you want to see that. It seems like Martin had lots of fun. Too bad they don't have an edit button for that one.
Maybe next year. If so, you can thank me then.
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Sure they do Clem old buddy, you not seeing it proves my point Maybe you weren't aware I was referring to figurative "blind spots," as opposed to literal ones.
Toby you do continue to amuse. In all honesty, I've always thought you to be completely out of your mind.
Alas, I had to miss all the fun in Atlanta. Not everyone can get away when they want to, life being what it is.
Cheers,
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WEll, I think that the surf guy is great, and I already had seen some of that.
BUT, MORE IMPORTANTLY, I used to regret the fact that PG had been too hard on Clemsy after he showed up here, especially given that I had invited him.
But, I have to say, Clemsy, that if you can't understand that calling Bush "Hitler" because of his policies, that you are very much calling anyone who agrees with that policy a "Nazi", then you are card-carrying member of the Leftist Version of Reich's Emotional Plague. You like your tyrants to be featured in Red Fascist magazines up there withe Che Bullshiterva.
And, now, realizing that Clemsy don't get where he sucks and that his lefty shadow is thick as ink, I think that PG was right to smell that smell.
Clemsy, you stink.
But, I won't ban you. The big dogs like it when their food isn't "co-operative" at times.
A last point: if I hated Bush, it would be because he believes in Free Trade and in fucking the middle and working class people of the US, and because he puts Free Trade above all other things, such as security and immigration enforcement.
But names, I won't call him.
Reason is about reasoning. We save the names for the summation when all the evidence is in.
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Roy I don't recall PG being rude to Clemsy. Was he? If so, then shame shame shame.
Clemsy stated:Toby you do continue to amuse. In all honesty, I've always thought you to be completely out of your mind.
Alas, I had to miss all the fun in Atlanta. Not everyone can get away when they want to, life being what it is.
Yes, that's such a shame that you weren't able to get time off for a festivity such as that.
Yeah, Clemsy, that's right, now that you've reminded me, I seem to recall you being very amused the last time we communicated - it's good to know I haven't lost my touch. Also, if I'm out of my mind, then my amusement for you the last time must have taken you with me 
I'm still awaiting a thank you for that one.
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Awww Roy, PG was quite the gentleman when he welcomed me here. You were the bummer. Got right to business and all that without so much as a howdja do. Go back and look.
I must say Roy, anyone still agreeing with Georgie's policies isn't a Nazi, just plain friggin stubborn. Christ on the cross man! Even Ollie, Will, Brooks (on and on and on) can't stand it anymore!
if I hated Bush, it would be because he believes in Free Trade and in fucking the middle and working class people of the US,
Wow! There we can agree! The asshole is winning the war on the middle class!
But names, I won't call him.
Oh I will. What more evidence do need, after all?
I personally wouldn't (and didn't) have used the word "Nazi". Corporatist maybe (You know what that's a synonym for, hmmm?). Sociopathic dry drunk with Daddy issues certainly.
But, alas, we deserve what we allow, no?
But, I won't ban you. The big dogs like it when their food isn't "co-operative" at times.
Quasi-infallible? Oh, you are too modest. Food, huh? Careful Roy. I doubt my taste will agree with your intestinal fortitude. 
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Posted: Mon Jan 8th, 2007 01:06 am |
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Clemsy, and the Red Fascists who have taken over there at Campbell town, can't stand being called any kind of names themselves.
I am called a "Republican" when dealing with certain people of the left, as if it were an insult.
Yes, I have even heard a woman at a party in Berkeley worry about her daughter growing up and marrying a republican!
In any case, I didn't want anyone banned for, in effect, calling me a "Nazi", but I was threatened because I figured if George Bush wasn't there to defend the war policy, then I would and if name-calling was ok for them, then in the name of Free Speech and moral universalism and reciprocity, I could call them a few names myself, such as "Modern Liberals", the kind that dominate the old very good democratic party and push it into elitism and to the undermining of its working classes' values.
But I wasn't allowed to call name-callers any names at all.!!!
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