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Posted: Tue Jul 11th, 2006 01:57 am |
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Posted: Tue Jul 11th, 2006 06:36 am |
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| That's a great link. Thanks! Very informative. Don't those folks ever smile in any of those pictures? They look as abject and miserable sitting there talking, as they would if they were chained in a prison cell. To a psychologist, people who never or rarely smile are assumed to be depressed and probably in need of treatment for that as a separate issue to anything else that may be going on with their lives. If one is so unhappy that one cannot find anything to smile about in the course of a day, then one is probably disturbed, by any reasonable standard. Sure cultures differ, but facial expressions are somewhat universal, I believe. For me, unsmiling, wooden, emotionless faces are always a signal of a possible latent psychotic process - or one that is becoming active.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11th, 2006 06:59 pm |
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You know PG. The whole middle east is in western understanding "depressed". They are happy when they fight us and win.
As a man interested in psychology, it is facinating to study. Everything we understand in the western world psychologically is in conflict with the Islamic psychology. It is a violation of our own understanding of the world. Smiles are not encouraged in the Middle East -- especially for women. If a woman smiles or laughs alot in the Middle East, she is considered a whore. A few years ago a muslim friend of mine was in the process of an arranged marriage. He described his feelings about why he wanted to marry her as he had not met her yet. He did tell me that the things he had heard about her through his family members and aquaintences were as follows:
She doesn't leave the house except when absolutley necessary.
She prays faithfully 5 times a day.
She is a good cook.
She is pretty and 15 years younger than him (he was 33 and she was 18)
She never laughs or makes jokes or smiles.
She is very serious.
She doesn't listen to music.
She coveres her head, but doesn't find it necessary to wear a Burka.
She wants to start a family immediately.
He could pay the $5,000 dowrey in installments.
He was not to meet her until the wedding day (here in the US).
I went to the wedding. The men and women were in seperate rooms. The band started playing and the women were allowed to watch the men dance with eachother. She was absoltuley beautiful I must admit and he was pleasantly surprised upon meeting her. However, he was a nervous wreck and did not know what to say to her.
This was in an Islamic community in the US. After the wedding, the bride and groom went to their new apartment with the in-laws following right behind them. The in-laws told them to go into the bedroom and do the koo-koo, koo-koo right after the wedding. The reason for that is that the newlywed's must prove the virginity of the bride. After their little romp in the bedroom they are to come out with bloody white sheets to show her hymen had been broken. The newlywed's give the bloody sheets to the in-laws and a parade in the street started with a day of celebrations and eating lamb. Mind you, men and women separated, but able to see eachother.
This is customary and traditional Islamic weddings (Zawajj).
Secret here: The mother's of the brides give their daughters a razor blade or other sharp object just in case nothing happens in the bedroom after the wedding. They are advised to cut themselves between their legs to make sure blood is on the sheets, no matter what does or does not happen in the bedroom. Some couple are too nervous to do the koo-koo, koo-koo and need back up. If the daughter does not come out of the bedroom with blood on the sheets, the groom or his family can demand a divorce on the spot and she will never be considered as a FIRST wife for the rest of her life. She may be awareded the opportunity to be a 2nd, 3rd, of 4th however.
Hey! Who am I to judge? Whatever floats your boat, as long as you don't wna to kill me.
CULTURE is a facinating topic.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12th, 2006 03:39 pm |
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| Sort of gives credence to the wisdom of the phrase oft uttered by English boyfriends who do not want to sacrifice a weekend of soccer for a friend's wedding, to their badgering girlfriends, "O.K.! O.K. ! I'll GO to the BLOODY WEDDING with you!" Last edited on Wed Jul 12th, 2006 03:41 pm by
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Posted: Thu Jul 13th, 2006 03:55 am |
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Donna Classica, don't you think it would be a good idea to discuss some of those topics in your first post, those TV video links on a one by one basis?
There is some stuff there to examine.
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Posted: Thu Jul 13th, 2006 12:41 pm |
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Roy, I have been called a lot of things but Donna Classica is a new one for me. I kind of liked Mata Hari the best of all of them. 
OK Roy, there is alot of information.
The first video is of Qadaffi saying that either the west should except Islam or declare war on Muslims right?
My comment on that one is that western leaders refuse to declare war on Islam because it is a violation of our religious freedom laws. They have decalred war on terrorism, but that is just tiptoeing around Islam. Once the west finally is honest and declares war on Islam, then and only then will we start seeing positive results.
Examination is a good thing. What do you think? Specifically?
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Posted: Thu Jul 13th, 2006 06:29 pm |
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Those are some fascinating observations. Although in terms of the Islamist spokesmen, I think that it would be best to never believe anything we hear, and only half of what we see with our own eyes.
It's skeptics and activists who move the world forward and moderates who know when to put on the brakes. Please note that I use those terms in the generic lexicon, not the political one.
This concept of "asserting a rigid policy stance" has a precedent. There is an on-going debate in the extremist circles of both Islamist and ultra-right-wing Israeli Zionists that stipulates whichever faction destroys the other's "temple" (Mecca or Jerusalem) will be the victor in the ultimate battle.
One must assume that the power of rationalization will kick in even if Mecca were hypothetically incinerated, the Islamist losers would then declare that there is some mitigation that necessitates that the survivors continue the conflict indefinitely. I know the power of rationalization- it is almost as limitless as the power of Stupidity.
If there is to be peace, what dominant factions on both sides must realise is that at some point in a conflict, when military and strategic objectives are not being fulfilled, one must ask one's self (i.e., the Islamofascist terrorists) who one serves. In protracted conflicts with civilian casualties and recurrant attrocities, the principles often do not detect the point at which they cease being agents of their own best interests and beliefs, and instead merely serve the mad god, Cthuhlu- who hates all humans and only desires eternal war, suffering, confusion, chaos and death for Humanity so that the Ancient Ones may return to rule.
In our age, those who worship and serve the chthonic, are not inclined to admit it - especially not to themselves. It's the nature of evil that it has at it's core, nothing but lies, deceit, treachery and falsehoods. It is no small wonder that those who would willingly serve wanton destructiveness and death, would not perceive it as such, but would rather be seduced by the exquisite lies of the King of Liars.
Arthur Koestler pointed out that many times in history, human beings have done the worst things to each other in the pargest numbers, in the pursuit of some allegedly-noble or holy cause. It is through this mechanism of mass ego-inflation combined with fanatic religion or ideology that the worst inclinations of human behavior are given a platform to become active and predatory on it's own species, for largely emotional and irrational reasons that do not ultimately serve the intrests of the aggressors, as well as would a path of non-aggression.
In that last point only, I agree with the pacifists. War is not a good idea in general, as anything but a last resort. Wars of liberation are entirely different from wars of aggression, which is a distinction that I think is lost on the less subtle considerations of the Islamist leaders with massive militaries and WMDs.
There will only be peace when the Islamists admit that there are many powerful among them, who believe that it would be correct and just to destroy the entire planet, solar system galaxy, universe and every living thing, if the objective of an Islamist/Arab-ruled world could not be realized, and it were to remain instead, a diverse population of a variety of beliefs and nations. If those voices were not dominant in the Islamic World, if the most violent among them were not allowed to rule over their lands, then peace and Godliness might finally have a chance to abound.
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Posted: Thu Jul 13th, 2006 06:45 pm |
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With all due respect PG, I used to think like that until I lived around them. From the most liberal to the most fundamentalist.
Remember, they do not have the same psyche or soul that we do. So I don't think anything we can say or do anything to find peace and calm the situation. We have to stop looking at Islam through our own eyes and start looking at ourselves through Islamic eyes.
Think like a muslim. They are trying to use our ideology to destroy us.
Our freedom disgusts and incites them. How should we convicne them that porno is none of their business when that freedom we hold is exactly what incites them to kill us? We are infidels remember? They don't give a damn what we think....in fact the more you think they more they lie.
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Posted: Thu Jul 13th, 2006 07:03 pm |
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Well, that's a great point about speaking the language of your enemy. I suppose I could summarise it and be very direct with them.
Unfortunately, most people do not respond well when you tell them, "Look frankly, your leaders are by modern standards homicidal psychopaths who should actually be locked up for everyone's safety, not running your friggin' country"!
Trust me, I have no illusions about ever communicating with radical Islamists, other than in the terms that they understand such as raw, brutal strength.
Are you suggesting that the Leaders of the Western World allow the Islamists to dictate the manner and style of diplomatic back-and forth? I cannot imagine the president sinking so low as to declare a war on Islam, and thus become more like unto the Islamist terrorist animals who will not tolerate any ideological opposition. Would we not be playing into their propaganda hands, which they can manipulate far better than we, with their own people?
Ultimately, I think that there will be a series of major wars that will invoke a serious shake-up in the middle east among the governments. Militant Islam will be purged or Islamic nations will start getting nuked. This may be the first signs of this in the escalating crisis in Israel.
Sooner or later, atomic bombs will fall on Muslim nations, and it will not be only once. When you have a life-threatening infection, sometimes all that you can do is burn it out with radiation.
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Posted: Thu Jul 13th, 2006 07:16 pm |
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That is true PG with our foreign enemies in Darl El Islam. Ah, one more misunderstanding.
Perhaps you are saying radical muslims are the problem? That is like saying not all cancer cells are dangerous.
I think I need to post more about Islamic cultre.
It is the enemy within that is just as and if not more dangerous.
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Posted: Thu Jul 13th, 2006 07:17 pm |
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NOTE ON SMILING: Caveat is that there are exceptions. GI Gurdjieff did not smile in photographs much, because that was the style of the day. Serious people did not smile much in photographs. To do so is would have been to trivialize the event, which was usually some significant occasion worthy of the complex, tedious practice of photography. Although I've heard that Gurdjieff laughed, smiled and joked around quite a bit when with his intimates and family.
Depressed people do not respond to positive stimulus nor do they stay emotionally "in the present" very well. They tend to ruminate and dwell on negative ideation, to which they develop adaptations which manifest as a somber, unsmiling, hyper-serious expression. In one way, they are wearing their anxiety about their problems on their sleeves and telling everyone who is observant enough, "I am in a lot of emotional pain"!
Smiling is a social skill, and can mean many things. It's most important use for me is to put my clients and coworkers at ease. Tense people are more inclined to becoming upset and difficult to manage. Also, a friendly smile can help someone who is having a bad day recognise that others acknowledge their existence and think well of them. It's the human equivalent to patting dogs on the head or scratching their ears. It has a soothing effect on humans.
I actually had to practise with a mirror and a camera once, when I was sharpening my PR skills. I used to have a terrible smile. Now I can charm the skin off a snake.
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Posted: Sun Jul 16th, 2006 10:35 pm |
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Have a laugh!!!
http://protesting-islam.com/
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Posted: Mon Jul 17th, 2006 02:24 pm |
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Yes, it is true. Actually Muhamed married a 6 year old girl and consummated the marriage at 9. She was still playing with dolls. Her name was Aisha. His favorite wife of all his wives. I made a mistake on another post and said Muhamed had 20 or so wives. Actually, I looked it up and the figure is actually 11 wives. One being Jewish. She is the one who poisoned him 3 years before he died. Good for her!!
Muslim men like to marry women before the age of 18--reason being is that they have not seen much in their lives and are easy to train. The younger the better -- so they can mold them and socially enslave them.
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Posted: Sat Jul 22nd, 2006 02:35 pm |
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This is Shia Islam. The holy day of Ashura when Hussein (grandson of Muhamed) was beheaded and where the Sunni/Shia split comes from.
They punish themselves for not showing up for the battle and betraying Hussein. This is the guilt sect of Islam.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/
Islamic%20Muslim/this_is_shiite_islam.htm
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Posted: Sat Jul 22nd, 2006 05:40 pm |
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What pictures!
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Posted: Sat Jul 22nd, 2006 06:10 pm |
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All I can say is that there is what only could be deemed a concerted effort by the news media to avoid explaining to the American public (and the European as well) just exactly who we deal with when we deal with Shi'ites and so on.
This is the journalists guilt-monged sense of being a Moses to us, the Idiot General Public, the one lost for forty years in the desert, the one that will remain there unless journalistas take over the world and correct all that nationalism, sense of religious superiority (even minimally felt and expressed), and the like.
The Feministas have gone from condemning women's circumcision to defending it as a native practice that we in the West have no right to interfere with.
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Posted: Sun Jul 23rd, 2006 03:03 pm |
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Poor GJ, whos parents are jewish, over at the Lifegoat, alone defending Israel against Chico and Marie in the thread Israeli Agression.
Marie: "The situation is not complex. It is rather clear. Israel is as morally corrupt, evil and barbaric Nazi Germany"
"Jewzi government of Israel."
I have no intention of joining the frey because no issue, no question, has ever been resolved in that place of utter obfuscating confusion.
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Posted: Sun Jul 23rd, 2006 03:09 pm |
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In Marie's next life, she will end up in a burka.
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Posted: Sun Jul 23rd, 2006 03:19 pm |
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Roy wrote: In Marie's next life, she will end up in a burka.
Roy
and the lowest ranking wife of ten. lol
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