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Corvus
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Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2005 08:26 am |
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When will those fat nosed Wall Street goons understand what investment is all about? I cringe every infernal time I hear of another employee making plans to invest in a 401k or some other retirement scheme. Why invest in a system that only seeks to decimate those it employs?
Do you want to be a responsible investor . . . do you have hope for the future? Why do we allow ourselves to be led by the collar, told where to piss away our savings . . . just because we are too lazy to understand what the stock market is all about? Investors have the power to completely reverse the direction this country is headed in. Instead of picking out what’s hot and yields a reliable return . . . why not as a coun"r"ty invest in what’s good for the future.
The whole corrupt system wants us to invest in it’s existence . . . The “Big Three”, Oil industry, insurance, pharmaceutical, fast-food . . . the all are bound and dependent on another, whipping us from above as we not only invest in them, but continue to use their anal matter. They only control us, because we let them . . .
It would be so easy . . .
Mutual Funds and the whole system of lazy man's investment only feeds the beast.
Thoughts ?
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Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2005 10:19 am |
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why not as a county invest in what’s good for the future. They only control us, because we let them . .
I wish I knew more about this subject.
But your post speaks to me, it also I think hints at the malaise that we as western indivuals currently mire ourselves in.
Thoughts = I agree with your sentiment Corvus, and will be interested to hear from some of the heavy hitters of this forum, some of the more... hard liners
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Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2005 01:42 pm |
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Corvus wrote: . . . why not as a coun"r"ty invest in what’s good for the future.
The whole corrupt system wants us to invest in it’s existence . . . The “Big Three”, Oil industry, insurance, pharmaceutical, fast-food . . . the all are bound and dependent on another, whipping us from above as we not only invest in them, but continue to use their anal matter. They only control us, because we let them . . .
It would be so easy . . .
Mutal Funds and the whole system of lazy man's investment only feeds the beast.
What you argue for, Corvus, in making a collective effort to invest in what's good for the future is exactly what Mutual Funds are all about...and especially in cases where employers match a portion of the employee's 401K investment, only a bonehead would turn his or her back on a great long-term investment opportunity.
Yes, the Stock Market is a game...and for those who participate directly, that game is stressful, immediate, full of surprises, easily distracted by any and all events in the world, and merciless. It's a gambler's dream game.
I've already offered this on another forum - if there was no oil or natural gas industry, we would probably not be conversing with each other on the internet with people around the world. Oil, hydrocarbons, are of the Earth. We are of the Earth. The fact that you can have issues with the oil industry points to its deep connection to humanity - for good and ill. Pharmaceutical companies and fast-food companies are of the Earth also. Why woudn't the Stock Market also be fascinated with these industries???
These companies don't control us...they are us.
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Corvus
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Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2005 02:31 pm |
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You fear.
And defend . . .
Dear Johnny be Good . . . mutual funds differ greatly . . . I don't buy a word of your defense.
you worship the past . . . oil and jesus . . . time to move on.
It's time Nathan, takes a stand . . .
I don't deny the past, I question how the future relies on it.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2005 03:09 pm |
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I must move on because I fear and defend oil and Jesus? LOL
To me, Corvus, your strategy here is laughable, but I'll play along:
No, Corvus, you move along, before I slap you silly with this nice, oily rag with Jesus' face on it in my hand.
PS Of course mutual funds are different, are run by different groups with different investment strategies! So why does that make mutual funds bad? You and I aren't the same either, you know...or are we...
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Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2005 03:20 pm |
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| I was just talking . . . but the fact you put up such a defense without even questioning, says too much about your character . . . i shall leave it at that.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2005 03:24 pm |
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Yes Corvus I put my money where my mouth is on this topic. Sorry my mistake in thinking you were looking for meaningful dialogue here.
Next time you're only interested in feeding the squirrels let me know so I don't scare them away....
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Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2005 03:29 pm |
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Johnny Dragon,
You're too fucking sure of this reality . . . send a prayer up to God for me . . .
If you wanted dialog, perhaps you would have done some questioning instead of providing answers like a good Roy-bot would do.
No offense Roy . . . there can be only one.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2005 03:37 pm |
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These companies don't control us...they are us.
You can find a new job, Johnny. . . if we invest in a different route . . .
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Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2005 04:14 pm |
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Corvus wrote: ...invest in a different route . . .
O.K., Corvus. I've heard your advertisement and I'm standing (alone?...just having fun with images...LOL) in front of the display behind your wagon.
What'cha got?
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Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2005 04:24 pm |
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Why do I have to provide all the answers . . .
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Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2005 04:47 pm |
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You don't, but if you raise a question, the answer will get shot back at you.
I agree that we need new investment in new areas.
In the early 80s I worked in my father's energy saving business. I was good at it, but I returned to California eventually.
There wasn't enough interest in the highly profitable business to sustain it.
People don't want to move out of their "ruts", their paradigms.
So, a great potential new business withered. I am not speaking of just my father's business but of a whole group of companies that failed.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2005 05:21 pm |
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We can't install a new OS and reboot as such. I know you know that C-Man, but the reality is that we have to seed the changes incrementally until critical mass is reached and a wave of transformation is underway.
At that point, people think that the wave is changing everything, when it is really the acknowledgement of the change already in place for the most part.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2005 06:17 pm |
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The plebs have no power & little money, power/money pulls the strings.
I think behind all this hyperbole, most have no influence.
it's was all about power, money and oil. Was that Iraq or Dallas? 
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Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2005 07:02 pm |
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You Brits have my favorite politician. Yes, I know he is imperfect.
The problem is that people want a Savior, or a Redeemer in their leader.
We all believe somewhere in the "Covenant". We all believe if we do the wishes of a Higher Power that things will go well.
We don't believe in the Tragic World view's validity at all.
We all believe "God would never do that to me". So we don't believe in God or we don't believe in evil as having divine origins.
Or maybe, just maybe, we have the sneaking suspicion based on our childhood that "God would do that to me". So we lose faith in life and in our mission in the world.
Nowadays we believe in the perfectability of the sytem, of some system, and that it is being held up by evil people.
If we just got rid of evil people or their evil attitudes, we could go back to the Garden of Eden.
What we don't get is that the only way to learn responsibility is through the exercise thereof.
Of course you don't lean anything unless you err and learn from it.
Some of our errors are just enormous.
I do think that the myth of Oedipus and what was really going on there needs to be examined.
That and the whole transition from the Tragic to the Platonic world view.
The election of the new pope is a reminder that Plato's world view is alive and well in Rome among other places.
The pope is the philosopher prince of the Church.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2005 07:50 pm |
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Roy wrote: We all believe "God would never do that to me". So we don't believe in God or we don't believe in evil as having divine origins.
Or maybe, just maybe, we have the sneaking suspicion based on our childhood that "God would do that to me". So we lose faith in life and in our mission in the world.
Nowadays we believe in the perfectability of the sytem, of some system, and that it is being held up by evil people.
If we just got rid of evil people or their evil attitudes, we could go back to the Garden of Eden.
Yep. I think these are some of the most dangerous attitudes and misconceptions we face.
Our invasion of Iraq to rid Saddam of weapons of mass destruction serves as an incredibly good example, IMO, for the consequences of identifying evil as being outside of oneself and then taking action to eradicate it.
No WMD's to be found, and a whole lot of wounds to heal...and faith in God remains as important as ever...
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Posted: Tue Apr 19th, 2005 08:55 pm |
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The problem is that people want a Savior, or a Redeemer in their leader.
You see that as a weakness? A problem? You make some very 'grown up' points Roy. But IMO, all this maturity, all this change we have to do, I don' think we are up to it. I think we need to be led.
We are 'hard wired' to believe in God says Jung, well I think thats still in evidence, though now we don't believe in a 'GOd', instead we believe our leader should have some sort of godlike leadership powers, a moses for the 21st century if you will.
You say you believe, but do you really? What do you believe in? WOuld you follow a saviour, a redeemer, he might appear in the most oblique hidden manner. Do you feel it inside, a 'faith'. I did, now I feel it slipping, draining away from me.
Lead me, redeem me...someone!
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NOTE TO THE GROVE MEMBERS: This individual "Corvus" has inadvertantly stumbled onto a very embarrassing truth about how the Universe is administrated. Therefore, it has become necessary to "take him out".
A team of agents has been dispatched to neutralize him as we communicate. Can't have people riockin' the boat. Crazy theories are one thing, but spreading the truth- now that will get you killed, father...
Consume... marry and reproduce....obey....happiness is found in materiality and possessions...morality is for losers... whoever dies with the nicest and the most toys wins the Game of Life...
I have been told that it is not as important for one to believe in God, so much as it is important for one to realize that God may believe in you.
Quick Joke(True Story):
Pope Paul II had a visitor. The visitor was a famous Cardinal, a distinguished scholar, cleric and professional. He had advanced degrees in several fields, spoke more languages than the Pope, and even had a Phd. in ancient history to go with his Ecclesiastic university degrees.
They Pope asked him,"Cardinal, how old are you?" He said, "I am 68, holy father." The Pope said, "Sixty-Eight? Hmmm! You know, when I was sixty eight, I was Pope already."
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Posted: Wed Apr 20th, 2005 02:20 am |
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Nocturne wrote: The problem is that people want a Savior, or a Redeemer in their leader.
You see that as a weakness? A problem? You make some very 'grown up' points Roy. But IMO, all this maturity, all this change we have to do, I don' think we are up to it. I think we need to be led.
We are 'hard wired' to believe in God says Jung, well I think thats still in evidence, though now we don't believe in a 'GOd', instead we believe our leader should have some sort of godlike leadership powers, a moses for the 21st century if you will.
You say you believe, but do you really? What do you believe in? WOuld you follow a saviour, a redeemer, he might appear in the most oblique hidden manner. Do you feel it inside, a 'faith'. I did, now I feel it slipping, draining away from me.
Lead me, redeem me...someone!
Yes, my "redeemers" are the men who have helped me overcome myself. That and the men and women who have helped keep my butt in the world by giving me reason to live: they are my "redeemers".
But a real Redeemer leads you back to yourself so you can be yourself. Of course, everyone else who can't be themselves because they have been too damaged or because the circumstances just are not there, has to lead an incomplete life.
We do need leader who are better conduits of the Spirit than we are. We depend on them. One day maybe it is our turn to be the one who leads in the "Conduit of the Spirit" department.
Certainly my leadership with my wife is in my capacity to give voice and substance to the ideas and beliefs she intuits but cannot argue, especially in the case where reasoning can provide proof.
My wife leads me in her interpretation of emotional matters. I really complimented her on her take on virtue, and because of her, I finally got the value of a lot of virtues, the wisdom of them.
Has this helped, Nocturne, buddy?
Roy
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Posted: Wed Apr 20th, 2005 07:59 am |
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Certainly my leadership with my wife is in my capacity to give voice and substance to the ideas and beliefs she intuits but cannot argue, especially in the case where reasoning can provide proof.
My wife leads me in her interpretation of emotional matters. I really complimented her on her take on virtue, and because of her, I finally got the value of a lot of virtues, the wisdom of them.
Your words do help. You're genuine and that counts for a lot, I am a bit still lost inside but communication with people here and there stops me getting swept up with the storm.
I like hearing about the relationship with your wife, makes you more human. Too much logic and reasoning without emotion makes for a dull forum (IMO). Then again, I do 'like' the emotional stuff, something I think we men tend to gloss over.
Thanks...
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