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Posted: Tue Aug 15th, 2006 11:24 pm |
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Unless you take life, we have no right to take your life. So, I disagee there. First or second offence of what? There is an entire range of these offences. Most offences involve fondling, harldy stuff of capital punishment.
But the real problems is to distinguish real from false accusations. Most offenses are at the hands of a family member or friend. The chances of stranger involvement is less than 10%, and your child is only half as likely to be molested at school as at home.
I have the impression that more kids die at the hands of their drunken parents at the wheel of their cars than at the hands of strangers.
A little objectivity here and some real facts are needed.
Recidivism rate of sex offenders in only slighly higher than other crimes: 12% vs 8%.
Want to protect the kids? Put cameras everywhere. Protect kids and protect adults from false accusations.
And, last but not least: when I worked in the jail school as a teacher, a Ph.D. in psychology worked with me from one of the East Coast institutes who deal with these sex offenders.
He is where I got a lot of the statistics, confirmed on-line. He also says that most are reformable and that studies done with lie detectors and the whole nine yards of investigation confirm that.
I wonder if we are really afraid of the future for our kids and put the fear factor on this aspect of life. Facts do not back up the level of fear.
The evil is real, just like AIDS. But everyone ain't gonna get AIDS and every kid is not going to get molested if we don't adopt draconian measures right now.
35% to 50% of all accusations are false. One third of the false allegations are outright lies. Two-thirds are "honest mistakes".
Until you understand what went wrong at the McMartin School Witch Hunt, I think moderation is the best approach.
Roy
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Posted: Tue Aug 15th, 2006 11:37 pm |
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Well, I do know that my girlfriend works in a prison and she said 40% of the inmates are there for sexual abuse of children. And the internet has exacerbated the problem internationally. Child porn is in demand these days. In the Netherlands they never had strong punishements and now pedophiles have their own political party similar to NAMBLA here in DC. It grew and grew because liberal laws protected them. And society got used to them. They are trying to pass laws now to remove the age of sexual consent from 14 years old completely.
I am also quite worried about our children.
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Roy
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Posted: Tue Aug 15th, 2006 11:47 pm |
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Yes, but I don't believe her. I want to see the real statistics. In the US it is almost always 18. So a guy who is 21 has sex with his 17year old girlfriend and then they rob a bank together, and she kills someone.
She is then tried as an adult while the 21 year old male is tried for having sex with a child.
Make any sense to you? I forgot to add. And she was on leave from the US Marine Corp where she went overseas and shot at terrorists.
How much do you know about McMartin and Wenatchee cases? Why is there such a high rate of false accusation? 35% to 50% and one third of that actual verifiable lying and you feel comfortable asking for the death penalty?????????????
I will tell you what. Let's accept the death penalty, but, if you lie to make an accusation, then you get the death penalty. After all, it was clearly an attempted murder.
And, why are Child Protective Service workers allowd to lie and make up evidence and then keep their jobs?
Why is there no penalty for lying at all in several states?
Why does New York State now have three-member panel to look at spousal accusation of molestation? Because it is more than half the time false.
Do you have any real studies to support the idea, the image you have of increased numbers of molestations?
I will post the numbers later. Yes, reporting went up for several decades. America seemed to have a rate three to four times other countries. Now, they report more often too. Better reporting or more molestaton?
Still, no one to my mind has the right to take a life unless he has taken a life. And I am tired of hearing 20 year olds who have sex with 16 year olds described as "rapists".
The journalists don't even use the term "statutory" anymore. It is just "rape". O'Reilly runs around yelling that some 17 year old kid's life has been destory because he had sex with a 40 year old woman.
This is hysteria.
Roy
Last edited on Wed Aug 16th, 2006 12:18 am by Roy
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Posted: Wed Aug 16th, 2006 12:55 am |
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I know there are alot of false accusations Roy. I am not concerned with a 21 year old and a 17 year old. I am more concerned with a much larger age spread. There are false accusations and there are real stories of sexual abuse of children. They need to be sorted out. Our country is all screwed up and this is one of the ways.
No arguments from me.
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Posted: Wed Aug 16th, 2006 01:04 am |
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I didn't think that there would be. As a teacher, I have seen three such accusations all false, and all dropped. But they went through hell.
That is what gets me. Lying and being mistaken is just so easy. What children are reliable witnesses and how reliable are they?
If I cite you some of the studies of what researchers have been able to get 3to 7 years olds to say about a visit to the doctor, you will be taken aback.
But this information is overlooked because the media, as with AIDS and Herpes, looks for the most spectacular results.
And, then, when there is real danger, such as in the case of Islam being extremist in and of itself, they go the opposite way.
This is the way it usually is. Assholes and neurotics zig when they should zag and zag when they should zig.
You have a great attitude, there, CW.
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