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Posted: Fri Oct 5th, 2007 01:50 am |
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http://www.islam-watch.org/ExMuslims/Honour-killings-in-Europe.htm
According to the United Nations, more than 5000 women and children are killed every year under the name of honour killing. The murder of Fadime Sahindal in Sweden brought about a lot of feelings and media coverage all over the world.
Following this tragic event, a lot of questions were raised and debates carried out as to why and how such a crime could have happened. A lot of people talked about the fact that women are killed in different circumstances and that it involves violence by men against women.
The fact that women are killed is a bitter truth. However, when women and children are murdered by their own close relatives and loved ones is a concept that has its roots mainly in the Middle East where women’s sexuality has always been the centre of power and production.
Power itself together with nationalistic sentiments and religion control the society. Following the honour killings of Pela and Fadime in Sweden; and Hursu in England, a lot of academics and pro cultural relativists said that “honour killing lives in the original culture that is still left in certain parts of the world and has nothing to do with religion”. If we accept this explanation then we have given all religions a free hand in interfering in women’s lives.
There is no doubt that honour killing is far more ancient than for example Islam or Christianity. However my question is why does it still happen? Does the original culture exist in Europe?
Obviously the political and religious situation and the consequence culture in the Middle East have a lot to do with the issue. After all it is not any coincident that most honour killings happen in the region or have their roots in the Middle East. For me, honour killing involves physical and physiological violence against women at home and in the society.
Women who choose to take control of their lives, choose their own partners, exercise their freedom, or choose to have sex before marriage are targets for honour killings.
The person who kills under the name of honour is trying to consolidate his/ her position in the society, in the family and community. He/she uses religion to achieve such position. Families who loose their honour are not taken seriously in the community. This is, without doubt, the consequence of the political power that dominates people’s lives. The same system and power imposes laws and regulations such as compulsory veil, negates the right to choose ones life and prohibits freedom of speech in the society. Political Islam steers women’s lives with the help of Sharia law.
In Iran the constitution is based on Sharia law where women are considered immature and imbeciles in every aspect of society. Today, there is a strong women’s movement all over the Middle East against religious injustice in women’s lives and against patriarchy. There are campaigns against honour killings in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kurdistan, Iran, Lebanon and Morocco. It is a movement for equality and human rights.
This debate has another angle in Europe. There is talk of “culture in ethnic minority communities”. It means women’s and children’s rights are tramped on, while cultural relativists take over women’s and children’s lives. Respecting culture takes precedence to human life and women’s rights. Imams and priests have become the representatives and speakers of these communities. It has created a situation where medieval culture is kept alive and religion takes over.
I put a few questions to you. Is this culture so progressive and an advance phenomenon in today’s society that needs to be preserved? Should we have a set of rules for ethnic minorities and another set of rules for the rest of the population? Doesn’t this remind you of apartheid system? Or is there something that I call state racism since it treats people differently?
The result of cultural relativism is worsening of women’s lives. Human history has shown that the old traditions and religious interference in women’s lives is not something that can be fought against without radical actions that show society stands by progressive values. Cultural relativism and racism are two sides of the same coin. It is about time that women activists and human rights organisations look at this issue seriously and change their position against reactionary forces in Europe and engage their energy and recourses into progressive and radical fight in the Middle East.
Some example of honour killings in Sweden:
Abbas Rezai (2005): A 20-year-old Iranian man, gets killed in Hogsby. The motive is supposedly that his girlfriend’s family, who comes from Afghanistan, could not accept their relationship. The trial found thegirlfriend’s brother guilty and fined him four years in institutional youth welfare and banishment from Sweden for life. Her parents are free. The lawyer of the mother to the murdered man is convinced that they planned the killing and has the opinion that they also should be sentenced for the murder.
A Kurdish Wife (2003): A 28-year-old Kurdish man stabs his one-year-younger wife with 37 slashes in Strangnas. The man did not accept that his wife wanted to get a divorce. The trial found him guilty and fined him ten years in prison and banishment from Sweden for life.
Fadime Sahindal (2002): A 26-year-old Kurdish girl, was killed in Uppsala in the evening of the 21st January. Her father did not accept that she had a Swedish boyfriend and wanted to have Swedish life style. The trial found her father guilty and he got a life sentence. Two months before she was killed she held a speech in the Swedish Parliament about her life and how she was treated by her family, relatives and Swedish authorities.
Pela Atroshi (1999): She was shot to death in Dhouk in Iraqi Kurdistan. Her sister called the Swedish police and reported the murder. Two uncles got a life sentence for the murder. The father is still wanted by the authorities.
Umea (1996): A 15-year-old Iraqi girl in Umea was killed by her brother and cousin after a party. The motive was that she had a Swedish life style.
Palestinian Girl (1994): A Palestinian man in Vastmanland killed his 18-year-old daughter when she refused to marry the man the father had chosen for her.
Parvin Kaboli, Secretary of Organisation for Women’s Liberation
parvinkaboli@yahoo.se
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Read some of the comments below this article - especially the lies of Muslims. One guy rightly calls Islam a barbaric religion.
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Posted: Fri Oct 5th, 2007 03:19 am |
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Islam either promotes honor killings or tolerates them or, for some reason inherent to its view of itself (i.e. its own narcissism damaged would plunge its members into a depression by invalidating Muslims' view of itself), fails to end this.
And, Islam itself failed to conquer Europe because of its treatment of women, half the population, and its treatment of men of science and reason, keeping Islam, at one time ahead of the world, behind the West.
For me, Mulism men take out their frustration with themselves as a culture wrestling with the complexes which, having taken root, keep them in that position of inferiority.
For this reason there is an emphasis on the need to make all submit, to Islam, whose name "Islam" means "submission".
The Western half-wit narcissists who cannot bring themselves to condemn honor killings as they should cannot do so because it would violate the central tenet of the Western intellectuals own jihad against the West, patriarchy and industrialization and capitalism, by having to admit that we are the lesser of two evils, which would then put them in the position of having to defend the West from incursions against the West designed to bring about reactionary changes.
So, taken by their narcissism, so that they need to preserve their self-rightousness, they refuse to put any real emotionality and committment against the killings of women by Muslims.
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Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2007 03:42 am |
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| This does sound an aweful lot like the old Segregation in the USA. Except now the European vesrion is strangely inverted: The "coloreds," muslims, want to be segregated and the whites are confused whether to support the segregation or fight to get them intergrated!
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Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2007 06:30 pm |
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Nobody hates the swedes more than the swedes. About 100 years ago the swedish empire said, "ok scandinavians, here's what we are gonna do... Norwegians, you can have Norway back... Finns, have Finland back... Danes like wise... and as for us? We are going to just fuck ourselves in the ass" and since then the Swedes have fallen into a sort of wanton destructive behavior.
The arabs are fucking everywhere and they turn everything into a slum that they can get their fingers on. They have kicked the Banditos and Hells Angels out of the drug rings in Denmark. The arab gangs are bizarre combination of the mexican hive-mind and the aggressive jungle mentality of the African-American gangs. Help yourself to the statistics online but they are responsible for nearly all the crime in Scandinavia. Something between 60 and 90% in most countries.
Sweden has it worst of all the scandinavians. They are one of the top 5 importers of new criminals. The rest of Scandinavia is having a little golden age. Jobs are plenty, community wealth is high and the the public generally enjoys a serene lifestyle of low pollution, low population density, successful moderate-socialist policy, and low crime. Sweden too would be enjoying this if it weren't for their self-inflicted afflictions.
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Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2007 07:09 pm |
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| Sweet Jesus Helgi, it sounds like terrorism is an immigration problem. What the heck are Swedes thinking to import such culturally foreign slum rats?
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Posted: Wed Oct 17th, 2007 02:00 am |
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Phil, what they are thinking is how fucking superior they are to nationalists of all stripes and Americans in particular.
They are anima-possessed asslickers of a misbegotten bitch-god version of Eros where, if you don't love somebody back, you are worse than whatever scumbag who did you real wrong.
I heard it with the nuns to a certain extent and I heard it with the Quakers to a larger extent and then onto the pro-communist war protesters.
They are like women who marry powerful warlords and hold teaparties. They think that they "control" the violence, but really they want to profit from it.
Sweden's case derives from the lefty side of Christianity getting mixed up with the secularist undercutting of our own native and historice spirituality.
The sado-masochistic pseudo-Christian takes his contempt for his literalist old school Christianity and lambasts it and himself in an orgy of self-contempt and self-hatred that has to be projected outward by people unable to handle the bio-energy of standing up for yourself.
They are the kind of people that want to be loved for their shadows as well as the better part of themselvess. Possessed by their shadows, they have to seek that projection to reduce their guilt and satisfy their power complex.
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