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Posted: Sat Jul 29th, 2006 06:11 pm |
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http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/
(CBS/AP) Mel Gibson was arrested early Friday for suspicion of driving under the influence, a sheriff's department spokesman said.
Gibson's vehicle was speeding eastbound on the Pacific Coast Highway when officers stopped him at 2:36 a.m., department spokesman Steve Whitmore confirmed to TheShowbuzz.com.
Deputies conducted field sobriety tests. A breath test indicated Gibson's blood-alcohol level was 0.12 percent, Whitmore said. California drivers 21 and older must remain under 0.08 percent.
Gibson, 50, was booked at the Lost Hills Sheriff's station at 4:06 a.m., according to department records. The actor-director was cited and released at 9:45 a.m., Whitmore said. Bail was set at $5,000.
Gibson's publicist, Alan Nierob, said via e-mail that "we don't have any information on this matter but are checking into it."
Gibson won a best-director Oscar for 1995's "Braveheart."
Like his 2004 religious blockbuster, "The Passion of the Christ," which was shot in Aramaic and Latin, his new film, "Apocalypto," was done in an ancient tongue, Yucatec Maya.
Gibson has starred in the "Lethal Weapon" and "Mad Max" films, as well as "What Women Want" and "The Man Without a Face," among other movies. Last edited on Sat Jul 29th, 2006 06:13 pm by Helgi
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Posted: Sat Jul 29th, 2006 06:14 pm |
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This sucks, they can't do that to the road warrior! If you guys find the image they have of him during the event you might mistaken it for old footage of a captured saddam. I thought he was parodying that image in this at first but he's just way messed up.
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Posted: Sat Jul 29th, 2006 06:39 pm |
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This does suck, but Mel Gibson's pain, his personal psychological pain, the pain that drives him to smoke, to drink , is also the pain that he uses to give outstanding performances as the warrior who undergoes a lot of pain as a real, to use Helgi's term, Joshua is Jesus.
(Hey! Have you guys seen him in the noir film, "Payback", as a guy trying to get his money back from some organized crime types? Absolutely outstanding.)
He needs to deal with that pain. With that arrest it is as if the next phase of his life has come knocking on his door.
Time to heal. Done enough great artistic stuff. But artistic stuff does not heal in and of itself.
That is why we do Reichian therapy and Primal therapy.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30th, 2006 04:53 am |
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I actually don't dislike Mr. Gibson . . . I just dislike his lack of self . . .
But why does this bother you mr H ??
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Posted: Sun Jul 30th, 2006 04:57 am |
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reading the link, it sounds like he was doing nothing more than saving face . . . considering his statement . . .
I find nothing wrong with his behavior as an actor in that thing we call Hollywood . . . I would have been very proud of him if he would have stated . . . I am Braveheart, now fuck off . . .
why should I give a fuck about his struggle ??
I don't trust Mel . . . it's that simple . . .
it's my Passion.
I would have continued to be a fan if it were not for Passion . . . what does this say about me . . . Roy that's rhetorical.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30th, 2006 05:05 am |
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this ??
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Posted: Sun Jul 30th, 2006 05:21 am |
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Durn, he fell off the wagon. Roy is right that this is the shock he needed to pull himself together again.
http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/gibsons-anti-semitic-tirade-alleged-cover-up/
Once inside the car, a source directly connected with the case says Gibson began banging himself against the seat. The report says Gibson told the deputy, "You mother f****r. I'm going to f*** you."
I guess this means he is gay too. lol
Mad Max not Mad Mel.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30th, 2006 08:20 am |
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I was really moved by his Christ movie. I couldn't get out of my seat. I am still a fan.
No one seen "Payback"? See it.
I wonder if drunk he was acting out his abusive father's attitudes and feelings, as one possessed by them.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30th, 2006 04:46 pm |
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Payback? Hubba Hubba Hubba!
It's only become trendy and cool to dislike Mel since he made the Passion movie. I don't feel you have to be Christian to enjoy the movie the Passion. It has very good acting, awsome costumes, the dialogue is actually in the language of the people speaking it (which in my book is speaks volumes). Not only that but often these kinds of works are written with a bias slant on what life would be like in the past, often giving it a surreal feel (like other Christ movies). Not that the movie isn't at all surreal but it's in a way that is for the better.
I was starting to see a bit of Mel's Achillese heal however when I saw he was making the Mayan film. He explained he was moving on to other oppressed groups which has been his inspiration for filming since Braveheart. It seems to me to be a bit of the liberal Christian plight where they go on a Crusade to heal the world for some form of guilt that nags their conscience. I would say that is a source of Mel's pain.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30th, 2006 07:15 pm |
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| IMHO it is a fundamental mistake to interpret a movie character against the actor (or movie against the director). I remember a conversation in the JungPages forum, we were discussing the character of John Wayne and Pandora immediatly lambasts the whole analysis of Rooster Cogburn et al by dissing the person Marion Morrison. That is why I say "Mad Max not Mad Mel".
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Posted: Sun Jul 30th, 2006 09:43 pm |
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I don't wonder very much where the anti-Semitism has come from. I see it clearly as something he got drilled into him by his father, and, being drunk, and, as much of his pain (I would guess) was derived from his father's abusive treatment, Mel Gibson would, in fact, act out the being possessed by that pain.
N.B.: His father is supposed to be a big anti-Semite. Christian anti-Semitism derives partly from the stress of an ignorant people with a distrust of foreigner (non-Christians) living among them in a time of difficulty such as the Middle Ages were, but also because the Christian himself, until he has truly come to "Jesus" and had his experience of Higher Emotional Center, as Gurdjieff called it, or as objective morality or just plain conscience and undergone the exorcism that Christianity actually done precipitates in ourselves, we remain Christ-killers ourselves.
So, where better to project the unconscious guilt than onto the original Christ-killers?
As far as present day anti-Semitism in the US, I would also like to point out that the fear around the movie resuscitating anti-Semitism might have seemed historically rational and based on concrete reality, but everyone in the US knows that anti-Semetism here is virtually at the zero level in terms of actually impeding anyone Jewish from pursuing a decent life.
And, I would also point out that Germany was not particularly anti-Semitic before Hitler. Jews were well integrated into German society. Several Jews had won the Iron Cross in World War I.
And, further, Freud's own fantasies (or better yet, paranoid delusions) of anti-Semtism being at the basis of the rejection of his theories flew in the face of Vienna being a city with 75% of the doctors Jewish.
What I am trying to imply is that regardless of the level of acceptance of Jews right now, paranoia may be justified if you look at history carefully.
But, even given that, I don't think that anti-Semetism being re-aroused was really at the basis of what many in the Jewish community objected to about the film.
The real problem of Jesus and the Passion is not even whether Jesus was the Son of God and the Jews were guilty of deocide.
The real problem is why the Jews would have treated such a man so cruelly or set him up to be treated so cruelly by their own oppressors, the Romans.
Every group has a shadow, and every group has a guilt-ridden group conscience as part of their identity.
Americans have been undergoing the trauma of the unmasking of our shadow for decades.
Unfortunately, the tendency has been, as I have pointed out in other posts, for the complexed idiots who find themselves "guilty-as-charged" to run for the hills by charging others, using guilt-monging and projection to turn the tables and distance themselves from any possible hint of racism, sexism and capitalist exploitation.
Personally, I think that people of Jewish origin would prefer never to have to think about the situation, the execution of Jesus, as it reflects on their own shadow, just as studying racism in the US and the West reflects on Americans' sense of themselves.
By the way, the Indian government white-washed the filim about Gandhi and the Italians did the same for themselves when they used the power of finance to whitewash the film on Christopher Columbus they helped produce.
Looking at your dark side, individually or as part of a group, is not a stroll in the park at sunset. Courage is required. You need Perseus' shield. Looking at your own shadow can be like looking right at the face of the Medusa- the shock may freeze your heart and mind.
Do any of you know that Jesus' was the direct descendent of David, and the Herod was placed on the throne of Israel by Rome? Probably all of you know that.
But did you know that the Herod line was placed in power because one of the two sides of the Israeli civil war going on before the investiture of the line of Herod invited in the Romans to end the conflict?
It wasn't even the first time in history that the Hebrews had succombed to civil war. It was at least the second time, the first time being when "Judea" and "Israel" were separate.
Jesus' idea was to universalize the Jewish faith. Three or four of the twelve disciples were not Jewish.
I believe the Australian theologian, Barbara Theiring, when she says that the conversion of "water to wine", was actually Jesus' act of including the non-Jews in the wine ceremony as if they were equal participants in the faith.
Previously non-Jews could be baptized, St John the Baptist style, and got called "the water".
So, at Canaan, (?) the wedding of Jesus and Mary Magdeline (?), Jesus converted the water to wine. How? By including them in the wine cermony as if they had been born Jews, a revolutionary act as a rabbi and teacher, a way of recognizing that the Covenant with God could include anyone.
Iif the Jews themselves were incapable of keeping the covenant by treating each other under the aegis of the Golden Rule, and they themselves were quite capable of succumbing to the strife of civil war, how could they in fact fault Caesar for his conquest of them?
Wasn't that what they had just been trying to do to each other?
That is why I say you can understand the whole world situation just by a rational, let alone an esoteric analysis, of the Passion and Suffering of Jesus.
So, I feel that some of the touchy feelings about the film don't just derive from historical anti-Semitism, but from the touchy feelings of guilt when a group faces its own shadow.
And, I feel that even to write this is to invite attack.
Roy
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Posted: Sun Jul 30th, 2006 11:15 pm |
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You may be right there Roy concerning Jews feelings about Jesus. A typical response from a jewish person when asked about Jesus is " JESUS WAS A BASTARD AND MARY A WHORE!" - truth, lol
That they hold this view is fine by me. As God's chosen people they do pay a very heavy price in many ways. I, a simple goyim, gets by much easier. Obeying the Ten Commandments gets a goyim a long way with Hashem but the Jews must observe 637 commandments to maintain their privaleged status (or get spanked very hard!!).
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Posted: Mon Jul 31st, 2006 12:37 am |
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They pay a heavy price which has been forwarded over to their western lackeys.
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Posted: Mon Jul 31st, 2006 12:40 am |
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Helgi wrote: They pay a heavy price which has been forwarded over to their western lackeys.
Hehehe, Israel is like a lighting rod. They divert the attention of the Islamic wackos. A valuable characteristic to us if you ask me.
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Posted: Mon Jul 31st, 2006 01:05 am |
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That IS a good point. Also this way they have TWO flags to burn during celibrations-er- I mean demonstrations. Thus expending more of their own oil reserves.
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Posted: Tue Aug 1st, 2006 12:37 am |
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I love Mel Gibson. He has alot of guts. I was listening to Michael Savage today and he is a Jew, he has no problem with what Mel Gibson said. He said he doesn't agree with it, but he said everyone has thier own ideas. At least Mel didn't want to kill anyone for his beleifs and that is ok with him.
Does anyone think that Mel's career is over? I don't know what to think about that one?
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Posted: Tue Aug 1st, 2006 01:20 am |
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Yes it's over. MS is a cool jewish guy who has a sain understanding on racial charged feelings. However, Hollywood is a different story. The money that fuels the majority of movies comes from Jewish pockets and if his career wasn't over with the passion (a movie Mel had to fund with his own pocket) it certainly is now. Genuinely masculine actors like Mel are on the conveyer belt going out in the big movie industry. Now it's sexually confused actors like Keano Reeves that have taken center stage.
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Posted: Tue Aug 1st, 2006 02:02 am |
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Mel Gibson has so much money now he can fund his own projects. His own 25 million invested to make "The Passion of the Christ" netted him several hundred million dollars.
Hollywood investors will invest in his projects as soon as the heat from this dies down. He has no history, as Michael Medved said today on his show, of actual malice or anti-Semitism in his work life.
So, yes, there is hot air, but where's the beef?
However, I will say that an apology will never be enough. Atonement and some kind of explanation are both necessary.
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Posted: Tue Aug 1st, 2006 02:05 am |
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So Mel Gibson gets a bunch of shit for having a few drinks and blurting out a politically incorrect comment and he is ruined, whereas Keith Richards can be a junkie and get arrested a bunch of time and get more famous?
Something is wrong with that picture.
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Posted: Tue Aug 1st, 2006 06:02 am |
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Well, he's not exactly room temperature yet. It sounds to me as if he is emotionally exhausted.
Remember CW, in Hollywood, there is no such thing as "bad publicity". Well there is, but it's not commonly found without effort(Robert Blake and O.J. Simpson both achieved it). The old political truism of a man being able to endure short of being caught in bed with either a dead woman or live man, does not hold (for obvious reasons).
Gibson may overly-identify with his religious dimension, and therefore experiences opposition to Christ, either by doctrine or overtly( as most Jews commonly do), as a personal thing(it's not, Mel). As intense and moving as was The Passion of the Christ, I think there is an esoteric dimension to Christianity that is not superfluous or titillating enough for films.
Mr. Gibson is trying too hard perhaps, to be all things to all people. Christ is capable of being all-forgiving, but human beings are not - unless they invoke the mystical element that defines the classic dimensions of human consciousness.
I think that we have seen in Mr. Gibson, the frustration that comes from being encapsulated by the rigidity of traditionalism v. the freedom to experiment that is offered by Christian esotericsm.
One may believe in Christ as a divine being, and yet not agree with everything that others may believe about Him.
To me, spirituality is a journey of re-discovery, nothing more and nothing less. When we believe that we have learned all that can be revealed to Man, inevitably there is more (if the heart remains open), and more beyond that, for ever and ever...
For the adventurer, eternal ambiguity and uncertainty is the essence of the thrill of exploring- new things to say, see , think and do. For those who seek anchors in the Ground of Being, the paradoxes of contemporary traditional and esoteric Christian dogma may both be too unsettling to the psyche.
Ambiguity and uncertainty (moral agonizing, defensive posturing) are two bete noirs of the emotionally exhausted.
Hate, if you want to hate
If it keeps you safe
If it makes you brave... - Soundgarden
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